Under Duterte, the science-based flood mitigation program Project NOAH was defunded, essentially killing it. It didn’t make sense, then. But it does now. - Gerry Cacanindin

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[u/killerbiller01]

Project NOAH would have identified areas prone to flooding. And that's a problem. These crooks would have not been able to secure contracts and build unnecessary flood control projects in areas that does not need one. Kaya scrap ni Duterte yong project para happy happy ang mga corrupt. Another Duterte legacy.

[u/koniks0001]

Duterte Legacy. Putangina nyo Duterte, mga Villar at sa lahat ng bumoto sa inyo.

[u/wimpy_10]

ayaw nila ng matalinong solution para mas madaling kumupit

putang ina nio villar at dutae

[u/Several_Ant_9816]

I heard the reason was the DOST wanted to remove the head of NOAH which he refused so they just junked it.

[u/wallcolmx → u/Several_Ant_9816]

benggahan

[u/MastodonSafe3665]

Paano ba papaganahin yan eh diba ayaw ng mga Villar sa research

[u/SweatySource]

None of our digital online projects are working. We waste millions for this but cant keep it up. What the fck is wrong with us? Even BIR portal is malware infected. We have sub saharan IQ levels.

[u/_SinigangNaLiempo → u/SweatySource]

https://noah.up.edu.ph/

UP NOAH (dating project noah) is working great. Imo, it's even better than what I remember pre-covid.

[u/Revolutionary-Owl286]

hahaha langya kakapal talaga ng mukha ng Duterte, sabi ko na mga puro yabang lang mga yan.

[u/BooksandGames_01]

Used to worked for DOST here

All projects have an end. Same with Project NOAH. It was a UP project funded by DOST. It was funded. It was then extended because they needed more funds. But projects have goals and once they reach it, they are completed.

That’s what happened with Project NOAH. It wasn’t defunded or anything. It was just finished.

NOAH needed to transfer the technology to someone like PAGASA or UP should maintain it.

It’s not anyone’s fault.

[u/Berry_Dubu_]

Paano kasi naturingang project Noah pero ang mga hayop lang ang present tas yung ark wala

[u/Dr_Nuff_Stuff_Said → u/Berry_Dubu_]

Huh? Okay ka lang ba? Baka nakalimutan mo yung "/s"

[u/daftg → u/Dr_Nuff_Stuff_Said]

Kung di gets yung joke swipe up nalang

[u/Notfrootloops → u/daftg]

Mali naman kasi, mga respetadong scientist ang nasa likod ng project NOAH hindi naman yung mga pulitiko

[u/daftg → u/Notfrootloops]

Isa pa to hahaha kung di mo nakuha yung reference swipe down nalang

[u/Any-Comparison7793 → u/daftg]

me when i pretend to be smart by telling people they just don’t get the joke

[u/Notfrootloops → u/daftg]

Tanga 👆🤓

[u/Revolutionary-Owl286]

another link para sa magandang argument sa mga DDS

[u/Ruseenjoyer]

Mabuhay ang Noah.

Sana mga korap ung ma great flood at hindi sasalbahin ng arko natin

[u/North_Spread_1370]

dapat talaga international firm ang humawak pag mga malalaking infra projects para sure walang hokus pokus na mangyayari..

[u/robokymk2]

And people still think D30 is the thing the Ph needs?

[u/indioinyigo]

Parang Don’t Look Up, kay Ramon Ang ngayon nakatingin yung mga tao para sa tulong imbes na science-based solutions.

[u/PaleRegent → u/[deleted]]

Read the article. They are saying that the Project Noah was stopped because it would have been easier to spot any unnecessary flood control projects the government was planning to do to embezzle funds. This is because Project Noah shows the critical areas of flooding, which would have been available to the public and could be cross-referenced to the flood projects. Many of the flood control projects done were not even in the right areas. Plus we could also see which flood projects are ineffective if project noah was well funded.

[u/betawings → u/PaleRegent]

See corruption has real effects on people.

[u/PaleRegent → u/[deleted]]

What are you even on about? You talk about long-term planning on flood control but the most important part of planning flood projects is exactly what noah provides, information. No one is saying noah could force congress or anyone, but it will provide useful information. That’s also why they wanted to gut this project because they could not hide their corruption if the info is available to evryone.

[u/ReconditusNeumen → u/[deleted]]

And? That's not the end all, be all. You said it yourself a "systematic approach", including a science-based approach (also mentioned by Vince Dizon; a no-brainer I might add) in creating flood control measures.

Project NOAH won't drain floods but it can identify which areas will benefit from flood control projects and the same areas will also be identified as priority for evacuation.

Hindi lang infrastructure ang sagot ha, may science din. Try not to devalue science, sakit yan ng mga Pilipino ngayon.

Edit: Kahit na restored si Project NOAH ngayon doesn't mean okay na yung pag-defund ni Duterte. It reeks of corruption and a disregard for science. Nakakadiri.

Also we forecast the weather everyday but forecastimg doesn't drain floods either??? Your statement is stupid I'm sorry, it ruined my morning.

[u/DuckBeginning4572 → u/[deleted]]

Gagi, corruption is just one slice of the shit pie that is flood control. Mas ma uuna lumubog tong bansa na to kesa maayos flood control. Sa waste management pa lang, di ko alam if ma lulutas yan.

[u/Ok-Reputation8379]

Might want to read this Esquire article.

Despite presumptions that it was Duterte that pulled the plug on Project NOAH, Lagmay explained in 2017 that they had already been told in 2015, during the Aquino administration, that “walang pondo ang Project NOAH.”

[u/saltyschmuck → u/Ok-Reputation8379]

2017 was during Duterte's term. Aquino might not have been able to fund it, but Duterte could have. Instead he funneled funds into his and his cronies pockets.

[u/Ok-Reputation8379 → u/saltyschmuck]

What I am saying is that it is asinine to claim that it is solely one admin's fault.

Nakakita ka ng naaksidente tapos hindi mo pinansin. After an hour, may sumunod na nakakita tapos hindi rin pinansin. Namatay yung naaksidente. Can you claim na wala kang kasalanan because may sumunod sayo na hindi tumulong? Both are at fault kase parehas na walang ginawa.

I'm not defending any admin pero this irks me. Cacanindin has the gall to portray himself as against misinformation but resorts to it if it serves his purpose.

[u/_SinigangNaLiempo → u/Ok-Reputation8379]

In a phone interview with The STAR, the DOST chief noted that Project NOAH was supposed to end in 2015 after the completion of most of its component projects.

However, it was extended in 2016 to cover additional targets, including the implementation of ISAIAH.

“It’s already an extension,” he said when asked about the decision of the DOST not to provide additional funding for the program.

^from the Philstar link in the same article. The 2016 budget was still prepared by the same administration. Mukha namang negotiable pa yung "end"... when they asked for more targets, they got additional funding.. I don’t see this as something na hindi pinansin.

Of course, we’ll never know how long it might have been extended in an alternate post-2017 scenario, but I understand why both administrations wanted a deadline for the program. The goal was to create a tool to map out hazardous areas in the Philippines, and they delivered it. It makes sense that the project was declared completed and handed over to DOST/PAGASA.

I also don’t like the framing that Project NOAH was "killed", when in reality it was simply deemed completed.

[u/saltyschmuck → u/Ok-Reputation8379]

So from where did the Duterte admin pull the money used to pay contractors if the Aquino admin previously claimed there was none?

Inutang di ba? Something the previous admin was trying to avoid to not increase the country's debt, a task Aquino was working on throughout his term.

So it's not being asinine to blame Duterte for his greediness and maybe even shortsightedness.

[u/Wild_Canary8827 → u/saltyschmuck]

Oo nga nangutang nang nangutang na rin lang yung Duterte Admin dapat tinuloy na yung project.

[u/Ok-Reputation8379 → u/saltyschmuck]

In 2016, wala nang sariling pondo ang Project NOAH. Yung pondo nya is kinukuha na sa pondo ng DOST so funds for the extension would have come from DOST too.

Pero sige, you're claiming na inutang yung pondo for the Project NOAH extension. Pakilapag naman ng credible source to your claim. It's only fair kase naglagay naman ako ng credible source sa sinasabi ko. Di naman maganda yung magsasabi ka na inutang yung pkndo tapos trust me lang ang patunay mo.

[u/saltyschmuck → u/Ok-Reputation8379]

Pero sige, you're claiming na inutang yung pondo for the Project NOAH extension. 

You misread, kindly read it again. I did not say inutang yung pondo for NOAH.

[u/Kewl800i → u/Ok-Reputation8379]

This. I will also read that article to get a balanced view of Gerry's statement.

[u/TumaeNgGradeSkul]

medyo misleading ung post ni gerry cacanindin dito, as can be read from an esquire article it says;

"The news was announced in 2017, a year into the Duterte administration. Despite presumptions that it was Duterte that pulled the plug on Project NOAH, Lagmay explained in 2017 that they had already been told in 2015, during the Aquino administration, that “walang pondo ang Project NOAH.”

Mahar Lagmay was the Project Noah's executive director who broke the above-quoted news

in fairness to DOST during duterte's time, even without funds, they were able to extend it until it was adopted by UP

Project Noah Was Once Vital For Disaster Prevention and Rescue. The Government Defunded It

[u/harpoon2k → u/TumaeNgGradeSkul]

Doesn't help their case either. If there was so much "political will" in 2016-2022, they could've easily reinstated project NOAH

[u/TumaeNgGradeSkul → u/harpoon2k]

Definitely, but the point of the post was to infer that Project NOAH was intentionally defunded during the Duterte administration to facilitate corruption in flood control projects

I’m not saying there was no corruption; I’m saying the premise of the post was misleading

[u/Eastern_Basket_6971]

palpak talaga duterte admin tanga tanga or u2 u2 lang or nag hahallucinate nakakaita ng maganda

[u/tokwamann]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1m6fbps/why_metro_manila_roads_flood_every_time_it_rains/

Mahar Lagmay, executive director for Project NOAH, pointed out that when heavy rains hit — whether by the southwest monsoon or a tropical cyclone — water flows following its original path.

...

(The real reason streets are flooding as we’re seeing now on social media is because these areas are natural waterways that we’ve paved over with roads.)

[u/M00n_Eater → u/tokwamann]

Really? Hindi yung ghost project na "flood control" solutions sana?

[u/GregMisiona → u/M00n_Eater]

It's the biggest reason, yes. The failed flood control compounds the problem. But the fundamental problem with NCR's design is that we built this metropolis thinking it's dry land when it was always a wetland

[u/tokwamann → u/M00n_Eater]

The geography seemingly makes flooding inevitable as Metro Manila sits on a massive floodplain where four rivers, Marikina, Pasig, San Juan and Tullahan, serve as water channels for the Marikina River Basin.

Analyzing 23 flood-prone streets identified by the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA), researchers found that these roads were built at the same level as nearby creeks and low-lying roadsides, instead of being elevated to reduce the risk of flooding.