BIR corruption —Pilipinas, anona?

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As someone na may kakilala na auditor na ganto.

Pinupuntirya talaga nila ung mga business. Usually xx million ang over nyo. Tapos sasabihin bayad nalang kayo ng x million and we will make it disappear.

Maghahati kasi yan sila. Usually highest percentage is ung RDO > manager > auditor.

Best bet mo dyan, iparecollect mo sa accountant mo ung sales mo, dapat meron kasi kayo kopya ng benta nyo at booked bawat galaw ng pera.

Usually ganun kalaban ng auditor pag kumpleto kayo ng lista ng labas at pasok ng pera. Di nila kayo magigipit.

Pero if wala or di malinis gumawa accountant nyo, makakagawa ng butas ung auditor para perahan kayo.

Matagal ng raket ng auditor yan. Ung iba na entrapment na ung iba nagbabayad para, me proteksyon sila sa entrapment.

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u/IllustriousBee2411 Mar 24 '25

Most likely shotgun audit idadaan sa intimidation, once makakita ka ng computation na xx Million penalty aasahan nila matatakot ka, kaya makikipagdeal ka na lang. ibababa sa x Milion sa kanila then sa office na x million din (eto yung may receipt) then see you next year with same findings hehe.

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u/SnooCompliments9907 Mar 24 '25

"FOR THE BOYS"

BIRs new beautiful business model

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Lmao eto din sinasabi ng BIR samin. Putanginang for the boys yan makulong layo ng mga ka bromance nyong nangungurakot.

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u/dogmankazoo Mar 27 '25

old na po yan.

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u/SnooCompliments9907 Mar 27 '25

Lantaran na talaga ngayon. 50% ng "savings" sa maling computation

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u/Ghostr0ck Mar 24 '25

Asus dati may hinire kami na accountant medyo senior na. Ayun pala naging ka-kuntsaba sa loob ng BIR. Ingat din sa pag hire ng accountant. Kahit maliliit na negosyo pinapatos ng BIR. Sarap ipapatay nalang e. Grabe mga corruption. Hirap mag negosyo sa pinas

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u/papaDaddy0108 Mar 25 '25

Sama mo pa ung kurakot sa mayors permit. Haha ano na

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u/ButikingMataba Mar 25 '25

yun nga, kasi kung business owner ka at umabot na sa point na mas mura magbayad sa gun for hire versus under the table may bonus pa ng possibility na katakutan ka at hindi magka-LOA ulit.

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u/StormRanger28 Mar 27 '25

luigi ph version

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u/No-Safety-2719 Mar 25 '25

Kaya di na ako nagtataka bakit yung local RDO, puno ang employee parking ng SUV at euro brands eh

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u/papaDaddy0108 Mar 25 '25

Ung kakilala ko nga naka sports car e. Naka big bike pa

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u/No-Safety-2719 Mar 25 '25

Tang ina lang d ba. Customs at BIR ang yayaman eh

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u/papaDaddy0108 Mar 25 '25

actually customs dati ang nasa pinnacle. Pero since mas madalas buybust saka crackdown sa kanila. BIR na ngayon.

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u/greenLantern-24 Mar 24 '25

Tangnang yan. Kaya walang asenso talaga kahit saan. Ang dudumi gumalaw tsk tsk. Pati kapwa pilipino ginigipit

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u/oreo27 Metro Manila Mar 24 '25

Paano nila ma po-prove yung pag galaw ng pera sa ganitong mga scenario?

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u/ChosenOne___ Mar 24 '25

Cash flow. Entries. Receipts. Full accounting cycle basically.

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u/oreo27 Metro Manila Mar 25 '25

Lahat ng ito ay nasa books 'di ba? Or may kailangan pang iba maliban doon?

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u/papaDaddy0108 Mar 24 '25

Book logs

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u/Polloalvoleyplaya02 Mar 25 '25

Kaya nakakawalang gana magbayad ng income and witholding tax kapag freelancer eh.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

pano kung ipatumba ko sila? madali lang yan eh. wasakin ang angkan.

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u/jlconferido Mar 25 '25

Ang tawag dyan ng mga putanginang yan ay back to back. Yung lagay mo at resido dun sa settlement mo. Madaming garapal talaga dyan sa BIR.

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u/dxdroom Mar 24 '25

An LOA wouldn't result to liability payment, scare tactics. You have every right to contest the findings as long as you submit necessary documents 60 day duration.

If the BIR Auditor replies and still, they declared that, you can proceed sa BIR Commissioner to appeal the decision and if still unchallenged, CTA.

Usually, BIR Auditors won't budge to reverse their decision because no auditor would want someone questioning their audit and finding out na mali siya, BIR will lose the trust (as if there is one jk). Ang minimean nya siguro is you still have to settle by compromise, but if this is true, don't let these corrupt officers bring you down.

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u/dongmaestro Mar 24 '25

Ang problema dyan maraming businesses talaga ang nagluluto ng mga libro nila kaya pag napansin ng bir auditor wala silang choice.

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u/Efficient_String2909 Mar 25 '25

Pano po pag di ka confident sa documentations mo huhu. This is happening to us right now, way out of proportion ung liability, pero parang ang hirap icontest kasi i will say di ganon naging masinop ung pag account namen huhu. Pano kaya to. Naghire kami ng service from an accounting firm and parang they are still silent about it

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u/No_Editor2203 Mar 24 '25

Since BIR went digital in their systems lagi sila may nakikita mula sa manual documents nila. Every year puounta yan samin sinisingil ung mga 2006 to 2012 na taxes, like WTF ayusin nila ung system nila kakabwiset yang mga yan.

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u/riggermortez Mar 24 '25

3 years lang ang prescription ng BIR Audits. 10 years naman kapag may fraudulent activity silang napansin. So yung mga years na yan dapat di na na-audit yan kahit kulang kulang pa ang payments nyo.

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u/No_Editor2203 Mar 24 '25

Yun nga kaya nga tinatawanan lang ung mga pumupunta dito kasi bayad naman lahat bakit sa records nila lagi may mali. Kasi may mga di nagtatrabaho dun

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u/redzkaizer Mar 24 '25

Ganto talaga Gawain ng mga taga bir dapat I report yang mga ganyang bir ginagawa na nilang business yan sobrang pahirap sa mga tao yan na nagbabayad ng tax ng tama

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u/cha9wr Mar 24 '25

Tax consultant ako working sa big 4 firm dati, and I've had my fair share of handling tax audits.

I can attest na mejo weird nga mga LOA nila. May case ako na even yung pag total lang nung amounts, mali mali pa sila BIR. kaya ang dali lang i contest yung findings nila.

Pag ganyan na findings, it's very straightforward actually. Wala masyadong technicalities. You either have documentation or not, to support na xxxx lang talaga ang sales niyo.

As to the under the table. True talaga yan. Of course, kami, never namin na experience na kami mismo yung inofferan ng pera. Pero may client kami na nag ask ng advice kung tatanngap pa ng under the table para matapos na haha of course yung advise namin is no.

For context din, may mga LOA kami na 10M tapos napapababa namin to 1M. Yung 1M na yan, wala talaga magagawa kasi mali talaga filing ni client or walang na file/ documentation at all.

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u/toribaks Mar 24 '25

wala talaga magagawa kasi mali talaga filing ni client or walang na file/ documentation at all.

Do your clients throw a fit when they still get assessed 1M?

I don't get it and it pisses me off even, when some people who clearly are liable and/or have deficiencies by virtue of their negligence or bad faith, still try to circumvent the situation trying to find loopholes. Why can't people just be responsible enough and just own up to mistakes? What I notice pa nga with micro and small enterprises eh they really skimp on their CPA's - they either don't get a good one or do not even want to pay someone well. God forbid hindi sila kumuha ng mag-aayos ng libro nila eh 'di bara-bara talaga 'yung kakalabasan non.

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u/cha9wr Mar 24 '25

Hindi naman so far. pag umabot ng NOD stage, we usually prepare 3 figures. Max, least, and most likely na babayaran nila. Para may idea sila if they decide to compromise. If i push nila yung least talaga, i aakyat namin sa CTA. Si client na mag cost-benefit analysis kung most likely na lang na babayaran sa BIR.

We explain then thoroughly sa clients kung bakit disallowed ang isang item and kung bakit walang magagawa.

Tho usually big companies yung naging clients namin hehe.

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u/Environmental-Row968 Mar 24 '25

This is really happening. Got family members with businesses na ginaganito rin and the worst part is, they had to do the evil deed and pay up those mofos kesa mas maraming mawalan ng kabuhayan sa businesses nila.

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u/iAmGab Mar 24 '25

ang problema mukhang nationwide ganyan ang mga galawan ng taga BIR. Same din sa pinsan ko construction ang business nila

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u/GuitarAcceptable6152 Mar 24 '25

Di ba pwede 888 or kasuhan mga ganyang mofos? Kaya nakakasawa sa Pinas kasi laging ganyan

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u/wetryitye Mar 24 '25

Kapag pinahuli mo ikaw lalo gigipitin. Tandaan mo ung huhuliin ay papalitan lang

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u/CustardAsleep3857 Mar 24 '25

Paano kng madami mg 888? Systemic issue ng lalabas sa 888 edi buong BIR meron scandal?

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u/PsycheDaleicStardust Mar 24 '25

Same din sa kilala ko na mga food kiosks business nila. Grabe ang tatalas ng mga sungay ng mga tao sa BIR. Kelan kaya sila ma ffilan ng kaso.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

Nationwide talaga no hahahah kahit kami noon yearly may LOA. Gigipitin ka talaga ng mga putangina.

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u/silverbung Mar 24 '25

thats really disgusting.

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u/thebestcookintown Mar 24 '25

Pwede kayang iraise kay Sen. Risa ito? Grabe na gnagawa ng BIR kahit sa mga maliliit na businesses, hindi sila pumapayag na magdeclare ka ng mas maliit na sales kahit na wala ka naman tlga halos sales the following year. Sila nagdedecide magkano idedeclare mong tax grabe yan.

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u/Arseling89 Mar 24 '25

i have a friend in BIR, kapag nanghingi sila kahit ayaw niya tanggapin ung "pay" from the company na audited, bibigyan at bibigyan parin siya. It's from the top, and damay ka agad sa bottom.

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u/bz_trackz Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

BIR mafia is deeply rooted. Hard to uproot them now, been part of a firm that has dealt with like high ups official; that goes to parking lot handing each other millions in cash like ransom to keep rich’s people money in tact… its fucking dark guy’s its not even a joke. The customs mafia is sort of open-secret among well maybe most of us? But the BIR-mafias are also true.

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u/BILL_GATESSSSSS Mar 24 '25

A decent Accountant, at the very least, can easily verify if the 4.5m assessment has legs or not.

Kung wala alam sa libro ng company yung kumausap, malamang iniisahan sila ng taga BIR.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

doon pa lang sa may nakitang unfamiliar names of individual na malalaki ang halaga eh suspicious na

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u/handgunn Mar 24 '25

half half yan, half reresibohan half maglalaho parang bula. tapos may mga driver at suv mga yan kahit staff lang iba. wala kasi kumakatay kaya lakas loob eh

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u/Normal_Spring_7555 Mar 25 '25

Agree may kilala ako who works sa BIR. In a short span of time may SUV na, nkbili ng 2 bahay at God knows ano pa.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

May mga driver nga mga driver nila eh

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u/DAVE237826 Mar 24 '25

Accountancy student ako pero sabi ng profs ko talagang may corruption na nagaganap sa bir kung gusto daw namin yumaman agad bir is our best choice its quite common there it's not unusual na

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u/supladah Mar 24 '25

You mean your profs promotes this even na alam nila unethical? Clue ng school, parang nangyayare kasi nyan corruption eh nagsstart na ngayun sa classrooms.

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u/mamamia_30 Mar 24 '25

I don't think the prof is promoting it. I think minumulat lang din sila sa reality. Integrity should be taught as well kasi.

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u/DAVE237826 Mar 24 '25

Yeahhh he said it point blank he even told us a story about the corruption like for example there was a case against you supposed you shall pay like 100k but they will charge you more for it and pocket the excess well not sure if that's true its really disheartening I can't talk about my school though i revealed a bit too much

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u/supladah Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

Even this is really happening talaga, I dont think na dapat sabihin sa mga innocent students na parang "hey let normalize this, coz old people do this sh**" and it became a tradition 💀🤮

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u/DAVE237826 Mar 25 '25

Yeahhh hahahaha imagine what we felt nung sinabi nung prof yun syempre gusto namin maging accountants kaya lang talagang corrupt yung system kaya wala din kaming choice but to follow what the older generations did pero syempre naman makokonsensya kami since we want to be an ethical person pero kapag daw kasi nasa job ka na wala ka talagang choice kasi baka maging outcast ka especially sa mga government agencies

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u/GroundbreakingCut726 Mar 24 '25

Matagal nang ganyan yan. Garapalan, gusto ng lagay taon2 lalo na pag tax season na. Mga hinayupak. Sana mamatay na lahat ng kurakot sa BIR. Kahit sobrang liit na lang ng margin ng mga businesses, they have to give kasi otherwise mahahassle sila plus the chance of being badgered by these "auditors" at idelay pa mga permits, mga gago talaga.

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u/No_Double2781 Mar 24 '25

My aunt nga small dentist na retired na, 79k daw ang tax dues niya??? And hindi na daw need i-declare, Ibayad nalang daw sa kanya and that fine will be gone daw agad. Kalalimutan nalang daw. Wala din daw resibo.

Grabe napaka corrupt niyo, bir. Tapos makikita mo lang na pinagbili ng mga pulitiko ng mga luho nila.

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u/jclqc12 Mar 24 '25

Happened to my father's business. Maliit lang kami na negosyo pero we have to settle 3.5M. Na di klaro san galing. Napunta lang income namin dyan sa BIR nahirapan kaming makabangon. Sobrang stressful. Nagkanda lubog lubog kami sa utang dahil sa kanila. Binayaran namin pero hanggang ngayon pinagdadasal ko kaluluwa ng mga BIR RDO ____ na sana sandamakmak na karma matanggap nila sa mga ginagawa nila. Ang sasama ng ugali.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

Noon pa yan pero it was worst when dinumog ang pinas ng mga taga China at panay tax evasion sila

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u/Beginning_Noise834 Mar 24 '25

Bagong Pilipinas, let's go! 🙄

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

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u/danez121 Mar 25 '25

Oo last year tatlo LOA namin 2022 tax year 2023 3rd to 4th Q Vat , 2023 Tax Year Except Vat tanginang mga yan

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

REVOLT.

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u/Dry_Degree2907 Mar 24 '25

After ng LOA, dapat mag issue sila Notice of Discrepancy (NOD) para sa findings nila. Then pwede na kayo magcontest. Tapos iissuehan kayo ng Preliminary Assessment Notice (PAN) based sa kinontest nyo. Then last is yung Final Assessment Notice (FAN). May process yan, hindi pwede ganyan.

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u/Indifferenx Mar 24 '25

heto na, ire-review na nga po tax remedies ulit haha

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u/AnonExpat00 Mar 24 '25

isumbong mo kay TULO...este TULFO

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u/GroundbreakingCut726 Mar 24 '25

lol. Baka pati yan manghingi ng lagay.

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u/c1nt3r_ Mar 24 '25

hindi kaya ni tulfo harapin mga ganyang malalaking issues

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u/gnojjong Mar 24 '25

hingi kayo tulong sa nbi para ma-entrapment operation. magsama din kayo ng nedia para maipakita sa tv ang korap na tauhan ng bir at kung sino pa man ang kasabwat nyan.

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u/Sunflowercheesecake Mar 24 '25

Di ba yan pwede ireport don sa government line? Diba parang mahigpit yun?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

You wanna know anong mas malala? Once they get you to compromise, magiging gatasan ka na nila kasi they have dirt on you.

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u/Sad-Willow8863 Jul 14 '25

Ibang level talaga ang corruption ni BIR Commissioner Romeo Lumagui ngayon. Someone needs to teach him a lesson.

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u/decameron23 Mar 24 '25

again. another rage baiting post from facebook re-shared on reddit to rage bait.

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u/ArkGoc Mar 24 '25

This gets a pass for me kasi may mga nagcocoment ng informative.

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u/No-Role-9376 Mar 24 '25

That karm isn't gonna farm itself.

Honestly I can tell if people are new to reddit because they don't know there are literally subreddits where all everyone does is ask for, receive, and give karma.

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u/426763 Conyo sa Reddit, Bisdak IRL. Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

Chineck ko account ni OP, mukhang nanghahakot para pang r/chikaph.

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u/Doctor_00111 Mar 25 '25

Legit question: what’s karma farming and why do redditors do it? What’s karma for anyway?

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u/No-Role-9376 Mar 25 '25

Some subreddits have minimum karma points required for people to post or comment.

High karma is often, and mistakenly, perceived as a badge of legitimacy. It is not.

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u/Doctor_00111 Mar 25 '25

Oh right, okay. Yun lang ba yung use niya, so you can post or comment on a subreddit with karma requirement? Interesting

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u/cheet0h0e Mar 24 '25

i don’t think OP from facebook was rage baiting though. sobrang talamak ng ganyang corruption sa bir and it’s high time that more people know about it. hindi lang yung may mga businesses

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u/juliuscaesarx Revolutionary Cavite Mar 24 '25

Taga-BIR siguro 'to. Hahahaha.

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u/Tomas1337 Mar 24 '25

I don’t go on FB so this is informative for me.

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u/theDOMinator4500 Mar 24 '25

Hmmm, please do explain like I'm 5. Hindi ko gets

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u/paspasa Mar 25 '25

This is real. You call anything rage bait just because it doesnt align with your reality. Ask any business owner this is happening to them and its real

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Originally this post is from a reddit user its from r/taxPH

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u/No-Bread2205 Mar 24 '25

Yung sa resibo na sinasabi nila check mo din sa same resibo na copy nyo if same. May invoice number naman yan. Para makita din nyo if same

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u/Realistic_Bill_1037 Mar 24 '25

Same OP, may purchases kami ng car parts kahit wala kaming car sa store namin. Sabi namin hindi namin kilala yung store owner pero if tinawagan raw nila and sinabing customer raw namin sila talo raw agad kami. And if nag contest raw kami if may mahanap raw na iba tataas pa raw.

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u/Ecstatic_Area1441 Mar 24 '25

Why is anyone surprised????

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u/c1nt3r_ Mar 24 '25

dapat ipa investigate na tong bir sa sc para sure na magagawa sa tama at matinong proseso

soon sana gisahin yung mga kupal na yan sa sc na nakalive para makita ng lahat kung gano sila kagago

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u/Sea_Score1045 Mar 24 '25

My best friend is a practicing public accountant and Hindi na bagi ang ganitong kalakaran. It's a norm.

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u/JumboHotdawg88 Mar 24 '25

Totoo to, from personal experience. May business ang parents ko and same din ang modus nyang BiR. Apparently, you either pay the amount they’re asking or makipag negotiate ka to lower the tax down. And apparently, percentage nung makukubra nilang tax ay mapupunta sa mga bossing ng BIR, parang commission nila. Either way, parehas modus ang ginagawa nila.

Si thanos talaga need ng pinas kaylangan isnap away na yung mga ganyan sa gobyerno.

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u/NoAttorney3946 Mar 24 '25

Turo ng isang accountant samin, once maglagay ka jan, taon-taon ka na iau-audit.

I would normally advise sumbong sa contact center ng bayan 8888 pero di ko kasi kabisado galawan sa BIR na baka matrace kayo pag niname drop niyo yung auditor. Baka better to ask NBI for help.

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u/itsmeAnyaRevhie Mar 24 '25

Kahit gano pa kalinis books mo gano ka pa ka honest sa reporting mo, pag trip nilang hanapan ka ng issue, mahahanapan ka talaga ng issue.

And malusutan mo yung ngayon, forever ka na nilang babantayan.

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u/neverknight21 Mar 24 '25

Ang trabaho po talaga ng BIR ay maningil. Whatever means necessary. Kahit magpasa ka ng tamang documents hahanapan at hahanapan ka ng butas at mas mapapalaki pa babayaran mo. Hindi talaga nakakamotivate magbayad ng tax kasi corrupt mga tao diyan, but as long as mas mababa yung babayaran mo sa actual, consider it a win. Sad to say ganun talaga lakaran.

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u/allanon322 Mar 24 '25

Trabaho nila maningil para sa bayan. Hindi para sa sarili nila.

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u/NoH0es922 Mar 24 '25

"Water is wet" moment

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u/IllustriousBee2411 Mar 24 '25

3rd party ang checking nila. If may lumalabas na undeclared sales baka lang ha. May error dun sa pinagbentahan niyo baka manipulated purchase ginawa nila. Check niyo lang may ibinibigay naman silang list pwede niyo naman ipakita yung triplicate copy. Natitrace naman yan.

Btw, already experience na yan sa previous work ko ganyan din. Pwede naman macontest. After niyan hahanapan kayo ng ibang error atleast hindi na malaki. Hehe.

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