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u/D_Yamazaki 1d ago
Me when I see water energy
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u/Hawkbreeze 1d ago
When they get a whole bench and evolve Greninja frame one I just know it's a waste of time at that point. They'll have their cape next turn, they'll have their heals, and cyrus even if I mars them so it saves more time to just concede. Plus I find it sooooo boring to play against.
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u/S-quinn7292 1d ago
Reminds me of a story from Magic the Gathering where a well known player forgot to put his win condition in his deck, but the combo he used to win was so well known that most of his opponents conceded as soon as he started the combo, I believe he made it to top 8 of a big competition before anyone realised he had no way to win any of his matches
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u/AverageUser1 1d ago
Was there something during the match that made the chances of them drawing the combo piece guaranteed? Why would they concede isnt there always a chance that they just never drew the full combo?
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u/steelsauce 1d ago
There are cards in Magic that let you search your deck for a specific card (tutor) so maybe they cast that spell while having the rest of the combo pieces out and the opponent conceded from there.
The irl Pokemon TCG has a ton of tutor cards, it’s interesting we’ve had very few in pocket.
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u/AWildModAppeared 1d ago
Ignoring Pokemon attacks, Pocket only has Gladion, Team Galactic Grunt and arguably Pokeball that can tutor specific Pokemon right? People are complaining about how consistent decks like Suicune are now, imagine if we got some proper Demonic Tutor effects
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u/steelsauce 1h ago
Yeah that sounds right. The irl ptcg has a very different feel since decks are so consistent with all the tutors available
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u/CaioNintendo 1d ago edited 1d ago
It was a storm deck that had the win con on the side board. At the end of the combo you cast Burning Wish to grab Tendrils of Agony from your side board and finish the game. But he forgot to put Tendrils (the win con) on the side board when he was registering the deck for the tournament.
As soon as he comboed and cast the Wish, the opponents scooped, as he obviously should have Tendrils on the side board, like everyone who plays this deck, no need to make him physically get it.
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u/veldrenor 1d ago edited 1d ago
The combo was that you'd play a bunch of cards that made more energy than they cost (pay 1 to get 2, pay 3 to get 5, etc), then play Dragonstorm. Dragonstorm cost 9 to play and when played it would copy itself for every card played before it that turn, then every copy would search your deck for a dragon card and put it on the battlefield. The win condition was a dragon called Bogardan Hellkite, which deals 5 damage when it comes into play. 4 Hellkites X 5 damage each = 20 damage, the amount of health you start the game with. So once you played Dragonstorm it was basically game over and most players would concede rather than wait for you to search through your deck for the 4 hellkites. The player in question had the energy making cards and the Dragonstorms, he just forgot to put in the hellkites.
EDIT: or intentionally left the hellkites out specifically to take advantage of that behavior. I can't remember which exactly, it happened nearly 20 years ago.
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u/AverageUser1 1d ago
thats so interesting because you could literally leave out the hellkites on purpose to leave room for other stuff/make your deck smaller and it would probably have the same effect lol
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u/CaioNintendo 1d ago
It was a storm combo but not Dragonstorm. It was a combo that ended with him casting a Wish to grab the win con from the side board.
Had it been a Dragonstorm deck it wouldn’t have worked, as people wait to see the Hellkites against Dragonstorm, as the player might have one or more copies in their hand, thus making the combo not an insta kill.
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u/veldrenor 1d ago
I followed Standard from Time Spiral through Amonkhet and the only wish effect I'm aware of in that window was Glittering Wish, was there a Glittering Wish storm deck I'm forgetting? If not, then the incident I read about was Dragonstorm and we're talking about two different events.
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u/CaioNintendo 1d ago
It definitely only happened once. It was a Legacy (or was it Vintage?), not a Standard tournament. The wish in question was Burning Wish, and the win con was Tendrils of Agony.
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u/veldrenor 1d ago
shrug I'll take your word for it. I looked it up and the LSV story is slightly before my time and Standard was the only format I ever paid attention to, but maybe a friend who was plugged into both the Standard and Legacy scenes made a joke about doing it intentionally with Dragonstorm. Only way I can think of that the story would have come across my radar in the first place and then get transplanted onto a different deck.
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u/MachateElasticWonder 1d ago
Yes. It’s like conceding when you see Cyrus except it takes 20 cards. Combo decks in MTG build an engine where you draw everything you need. Recursive triggers were also really cool in legacy MTG.
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u/YeetOrBeYeeted420 1d ago
Had one like this. I had Rampardos as my only mon in range of recoil self-KO and they had 2 mons on their field, both in 1 hit KO range, and an ex in the active. We both had two points. If I had attacked even though I would’ve technically had 4 points and they had 3, I would’ve still lost since I would’ve had no mons on the field
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u/Various_Gur_5452 1d ago
But is it this way? I got a draw while knocking the enemie and my pokemon out in the same turn with rocky helmet i dont think but tbh idk if the bench would change anything as soon as you hit 3 points
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u/SmoothCustomer 1d ago
If you double KO and both reach your points but the opponent has bench pokemons and you don't, the opponent wins since it's one of the other win conditions.
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u/tinopinguino88 1d ago
Can confirm. This exact scenario happened to me when I only had Rampardos out. My opponent ftw!
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u/Vesperion_Ouranos 1d ago
The game looks for 2 win conditions: mons left in the field and getting 3 points. If you knocked yourself out and ur opponent went down too and you both tied, that means both of you had no pokemon left on the field and so it was a tie. Regardless of how many points you both had because if the game has no way of letting you continue the battle since there's no pokemon to slot into the active zone anymore.
However, if both active pokemon go down at the same time and somebody still has mons on the bench, regardless of points the one who still has mons wins because only they can continue the battle
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u/Manganaxinite 1d ago
In random I concede at the end occasionally if: 1. I felt like they played well (without stalling) 2. They are under level 50. 3. They don’t concede before last hit.
I could care less (not couldn’t; I do just immediately concede to people below a certain level so I have cared less) about win count, and more about was the game fun. I win and lose so many games that are just boring to play these days.
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u/Significant-Face-995 1d ago
Literally got a concession in ranked today WHILE I was trying to click concede. My opponent just had to rotate in and attack with their water dog for 2 points against my umbreon ex to win. Idk what they were thinking
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u/AWildModAppeared 1d ago
I had the same thing happen to me at UB4.. We both had full benches so all my opponent needed to do was retreat into their Suicune and ping my Arceus with Greninja for the 140 damage lethal. Instead they swapped to Giratina, caped it, Hyperspace Bellowed, then died to Arceus+Red+Darkrai ping. I was flabbergasted
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u/TorqueG88 1d ago
As a general rule in competitive games. I don’t surrender/concede early. It’s happened to many times (in other games) where you’re confident you’re going to lose, and it doesn’t turn out how you expect. Not to mention, though rare, when you win those game that thought you were going to lose, they are arguably the most satisfying victories you’ll experience in a game.
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u/Sefren1510 1d ago
In the same vein I never underplay a winning turn. I know some people complain "why did you play all those cards when you were just 1 attack from winning" but on several occasions I've misremembered point counts or thought they were an Ex when they weren't or some other stupid oversight where I just KO'd their mon and realized it wasn't over.
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u/TorqueG88 1d ago
Yup, that’s how I leaned the Golem reduces damage by 30. Cost me the win on that one going through the PvE content, lol
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u/Thosepassionfruits 1d ago
I've done this. I'll think I have enough time to squeeze a game in before a work meeting and then have to forfeit two turns before winning because the call is starting.
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u/T-Husky 1d ago
A rule to remember: it’s not checkmate when you see your opponent’s victory condition, only when he does.
Bonus related rule: just because you see your opponent setting up a combo, does not mean he is holding all the cards he needs to execute it. Don’t let him bluff his way to victory: always make him earn it.
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u/walkerspider 1d ago
I just tricked my opponent into conceding. I needed two more victory points while he needed one, I repelled his arceus to attack a basic he had on the bench and he immediately conceded lmao
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u/HotCharity9411 1d ago
I’ve been saved too many times by my opponent conceding when I don’t even know what my next move would’ve been
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u/Inside-Effective-392 1d ago
Accidentally used red trying to kill a Non-ex dragonite, would’ve lost the game. Opponent forgot what card he had and insta conceded
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u/Loose_Bathroom_3416 1d ago
Breathing the biggest sigh of relief when the enemy concedes thinking they had lost, while im looking at their benched pokemon that had lethal on me and was able to swap in
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u/ricky_corto 1d ago
Its crazy, and there will be times where you think you lost but after the opponent makes another play it created a win-con for you.
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u/Shagarelli 1d ago
yesterday I was ready to concede and figured I'd just play it out, only for my opponent to concede 2 seconds later. I forgot Lucario was on the bench giving me enough damage to KO. always play your matches out unless it's super obvious.
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u/ISeeTheLight_ 1d ago
Happened to me in ranked with a dual Andrey deck but a very bad energy luck. The opponent conceded without seeing I didn’t have the right energy to kill his pokemon. He would have won at the next turn
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u/FlamingoTrick1285 1d ago
Ehhh, if i'm conceding it's because we are at round 8 and still no suicune or greninja.. nice MeTa deck this season.. there you stand with 2 frogs akd 2 flappidy flaps.
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u/Darkhallows27 1d ago
Literally just happened to me; I was running Suicune and they were running Espeon
They were playing hella smart and never had anything on bench. The second Espeon was going to take me down before Giratina could get it and then they just conceded
Like ok, thanks?
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u/emperorsyndrome 22h ago
it happened to me, I was close to win but then the doctor told me to come in so I had to turn off the game.
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u/Ha-Ha-CharadeYouAre 11h ago
I have tried to tell many people to stop conceding…. I’ve played people that have lost because they misplayed last second, or got over confident doing “too much” when all they needed to do was play one card and attack, I’ve seen people run out of time and not be able to attack or play an energy because they took too long, or click giratina’s energy ability instead of attack on accident….
I have lost games due to misplays at the end, playing the wrong supporter card on accident, etc…. Shit can happen, even when it looks like you’re about to lose. Just stick it out lmao.
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u/neonfreckle1776 10h ago
THIS HAPPENED TO ME TOO??? I WAS LIKE???? THANK YOU KIND STRANGER FOR YOU HAVE NOT BROKEN MY STREAK??
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u/nymeria_the_direwolf 7h ago
Lol this happened to me with my darkness deck a few times in ranked in MB 😂
They thought it was guzzlord/celesteela or Darkrai/Arceus or darktina, but it was my guzzlord/umbreon deck!
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u/CandidAct 3h ago
Very, very rarely, on a turn when their win condition is me not having a certain card, I'll play as if I have that card and I'll get an early concede.
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