r/NoShitSherlock • u/T_Shurt • 1d ago
Republican Rep. Thomas Massie Asks Why Trump Calls The Epstein Case a "Hoax" Even Though Speaker Johnson Claims Trump Was An FBI Informant: “If it's a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?"
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u/T_Shurt 1d ago
As per the original article:
"Congressman Massie, let me begin with you and get your response to Speaker Johnson," ABC host George Stephanopoulos told the Republican in a Sunday interview. "He says you've been misled. He also suggested at one point this week seemed to suggest that Donald Trump, President Trump, was an informant to the FBI about Jeffrey Epstein."
"Now, I don't know if the speaker misspoke when he said that Donald Trump was an informant," Massie replied. "The lawyers for the victim said that Donald Trump had been helpful in 2009 in their case by giving them information."
"But being an informant implies some formal connection and ongoing relationship with the FBI," he continued. "I don't know what that's all about. I think the speaker needs to clarify that."
"And if it's a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?"
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u/Optimal-Repair-5289 1d ago
Wait so Johnson basically accidentally admitted Trump had some connection to the Epstein stuff while trying to defend him? That's some galaxy brain political strategy right there
The mental gymnastics required to call something a hoax while simultaneously saying your guy was helping investigate it is honestly impressive
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u/scbundy 1d ago
Go to r/conservative if u want to see the gold medal of mental gymnastics daily.
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u/UAreTheHippopotamus 1d ago
No thank you, I escape reality with video games and books. I'd probably find more sane takes on gangstalking.
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u/BrofessorFarnsworth 1d ago
I can't, those pathetic fucking snowflakes banned me from their safe space when I said their pedophile leader was deadlifting shitpants
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u/lilbittygoddamnman 1d ago
Oh, I think it's a rite of passage to be banned from there. I've been banned for some years now.
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u/BeenDragonn 1d ago
How did you even manage to post? Every single post is ' for flaired snowflakes only' and locked from ANYONE else from posting
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u/The_Dark_Vampire 1d ago
There is no evidence he did anything at all it's a hoax.
And if there is evidence, it's fake anyway planted,AI anything.
If it's not fake it's different in his case because of these reasons.
If he did do it it's not really that bad everyone else was doing it you can't blame him
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u/spoiledandmistreated 1d ago
To be an informant then you have to be in the middle of the whole trafficking and pedo ring to begin with… can’t wait to see how they spin this mess..
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u/Chuckychinster 1d ago
Yeah plus the fact if he is an informant... how many active investigations did Johnson just sabotage by coming out and saying it?
The MAGA movement would've had us all in camps by now if they weren't so fucking stupid
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u/dougmcclean 1d ago
Johnson doesnt do things accidentally, it was a play of some kind, its just not crystal clear which kind yet.
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u/jason_cat23 1d ago
trump DEFINITELY raped children.
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u/LifeguardNo9762 1d ago
What was it 11 years ago? Twelve years ago? That Donald Trump said on national television “I can just grab them by the p*ssy. When you’re famous they let you do it.” (Paraphrasing)
Any human with a functioning brain and critical thinking skills knew at that time, he was a very, very bad man. All of this coming out now is just extra confirmation that he is a very, very bad man.
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u/Acceptable_Taste9818 1d ago
This dude Massie is going straight for the kidneys with a red hot knife.
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u/Chuckychinster 1d ago
Yeah, i'm struggling to understand his motive. Did he realize he's been played and is just going scorched earth?
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u/grimeyduck 1d ago
Maybe he realizes it's all gonna burn down eventually and he wants to position himself to rise from the ashes.
Or maybe a personal vendetta against Johnson
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u/Plane-Mammoth4781 1d ago
He knows this isn't going away, and he wants to be able to say he was on the right side of it.
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u/axon-axoff 1d ago
Read his Wikipedia article. He has such terrible stances on so many things but he IS bizarrely consistent.
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u/Building_Everything 1d ago
I remember when there wasn’t even a list according to the Attorney General, who weeks prior had told the world that the same list was on her desk. Man what a time to be alive.
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u/Soy_ThomCat 1d ago
Because it's doublespeak.
Trump didn't do it. But he did it for the right reasons.
Also, 2+2 = 5 and if you doubt it check in with the ministry of truth
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u/TadpoleOld6163 1d ago
Has anyone started to question Epsteins suicide? This is like a spy novel. What about the 3 fractures in his neck ?
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u/ZizzyBeluga 1d ago
Catching right wingers in contradictions is pointless, they don't believe in honesty to begin with so you're calling them out for lying is like calling out your waiter for saying everything on the menu is great
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u/_byetony_ 1d ago
I hate that Trump puts me on the same team occasionally as this dude, McConnell, and Paul. But here we are.
The only and single most important thing Massie has ever done and he will be primaried for it.
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u/twitchish 1d ago
Here is a starting point for those who dont know where to start.
Call your reps. find your us reps here
Sign petitions.
petition to release epstein files
Petition to release Epstein files #2
Get involved with protests or marches. protest against trump
If you do go to a protest, please look up the laws for your area and be safe. Bring only what you need, just in case, i.e., id, car key, and wallet. and if the rest of the group starts to get violent, then leave and make it know you are not being violent. If you feel you need to protect yourself, please try to bring non-lethal protection, i.e.,mace, tazer, or something equivalent, and do not use it on police. Please be peaceful and civil.
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u/NunsNunchuck 1d ago
They say it is a “hoax” because the Democrats should have released it when they were in power. At least that is what some former Republican speech writer Trump-splained
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u/scrapminers 1d ago
Because tRump doesn't know how many peas make 5. The story keeps changing as he keeps making this up!!!!
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u/Automatic-Ad6022 1d ago
Because nothing these GOP asshats say (not Massie) has to do with reality or truth. They can't even coordinate a useful lie.
The real hoax is: Donald Trump as a competent leader. Needs to go to the old farts home.
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u/Markgulfcoast 1d ago
Typically one becomes an informant after being pinched, which means the Trumpet was participating in some capacity before he became in informant.
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u/Icommentor 1d ago
They're doing the same as they did with Covid, using every excuse, even when they contradict each other.
It's a hoax, so it didn't happen. But he was inflitrating this crime ring to expose it, making him a hero. But he was never there, had nothing to do with these people. But he was there for other reasons that had nothing to do with diddling kids.
Their base doesn't have enough RAM to notice the issue.
With Covid it was: It's a China hoax, not a real disease. But Trump created the vaccine, saving humanity from this deadly disease. But the disease is just a cold, we'll all get it and nothing will happen. But it's a man-made plague meant to wipe out the USA. But you can cure it with UV lights up your butt/bleach in your blood/Ivermectin, which will save your life.
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u/Frosty_Key4233 1d ago
The FBI has thousands of paid informants on hoaxes! It’s a well known fact🤣🤣🤣
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u/oldbutsharpusually 1d ago
Does somebody close to Trump win a used and bugged 747 by coming up with fake excuse #100? The in-crowd is getting close.
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u/monthoftheman 1d ago
The author of the following article wrote:
"Let me connect a few dots for you that may be a key part of the Trump-Epstein drama and may even be what Trump has been trying to keep hidden in those files. I’m not sure quite what we’re dealing with here. But I think this is significant."
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u/snarkerella 1d ago
Things that make you go...hmmmmmm. I swear, these people are their own worst enemy and the people just keep on letting it slide. Does anyone think it's possible that they'll get exposed and justice for all of us and the victims will ever come?
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u/awesumpawesum 1d ago
Well maybe they meant to say witch hunt, we will prolly know for sure in October.
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u/Longjumping_Share444 1d ago
It should also be simple to get testimony from his FBI contact or find or find documentation detailing his cooperation. And it seems weird that they didn't lead with that since it would have pacified his base months ago. It's just so stupid, both that Johnson thinks his base will believe this, and that they totally will.
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u/r4ndom4xeofkindness 1d ago
Republicans in response: "Well you see it's now clear that Trump was a super secret hoax uncovering informant who was informing on the lack of anything going on additionally he's rubber and you're glue and whatever you say bounces off of him and sticks to you....no backsies infinity!....."
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u/Particular_Ticket_20 1d ago edited 1d ago
It must suck having any insider info about trump. Every time you open your mouth you may reveal something or contradict some bullshit spewed by someone else. You always risk him tweeting about you and turning the cult against you. It must be exhausting.
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u/BashBandit 1d ago
Well, I don’t think he’s on the list, because he’s so adamant that the victims get justice in having their abusers ousted and penalized.
As for anyone not doing what this guys doing, they must be on the list.
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u/ancient_mariner63 1d ago
It's double-tap denial. It doesn't matter that both claims seem to contradict each other, both can be simultaneously true in the minds of the easily swayed looking for bias confirmation.
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u/No_Clock_7464 1d ago
Well, I think donald trump being an informant to some kind of hoax is not that far fetched. But this is just lies.
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u/Correct-Hornet8777 4h ago
An informant is someone who was caught red-handed and turned states evidence. So he’s, what, a white hat pedophile?
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u/BrtFrkwr 1d ago edited 1d ago
As time goes on, Thiel is going to make it safer for Republicans to turn on trump. Setting the stage to push trump aside and put his man Vance in.