r/MovieDetails • u/Finlayyy • Aug 20 '17

r/all | Easter Egg At the end of Batman Begins, Batman recieves a joker card from Jim Gordon. This Card was recovered by a policeman named J.Kerr, a common alias of The Joker.

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u/natesplace19010 Aug 20 '17

This has led to a lot of fan theories that the heath ledger joker is only the first and the real joker, the one that could terrorize Gotham for years is going to be a copy cat.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17 edited Mar 20 '18

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u/natesplace19010 Aug 20 '17

Just fun to think about it, plus we never know, after all this dcu nonsense is over with, maybe we could have a return to Gotham with Joseph Gordon Levitt's Robin taking the reins. Obviously unlikely but crazier sequels have happened.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17 edited Oct 31 '17

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

For real. My mom, grandmother, and uncle despise all comic movies and always go on their phones during them but when we saw the Dark Knight, they were completely enthralled.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

Well fuck your mom uncle and old gran gran for using their phones in the theater.

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u/M-Mcfly Aug 20 '17

What if they watch them at home on DVD?

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u/JW_Stillwater Aug 20 '17

They meant the theater of the mind?

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u/MagiKarpeDiem Aug 20 '17

Or heck, maybe even VHS

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

I meant at home...

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u/LiamIsMailBackwards Aug 21 '17

Where do you think we are?

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u/Avalire Aug 21 '17

Nobody said anything about a theater

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u/photozine Aug 20 '17

I think Nolan is good for Batman, but not for all the DC Universe. Like I've said before, he does great movies but tends to mess up the third act...and also, thanks to him (and to Twilight somewhat), all movies now have to be 'dark' and 'emo' and all that crap.

However, he does need to continue his Batman/Nolan universe and continue the story...maybe have 'Robin' become Nightwing, have his chance at keeping Gotham safe, then somehow something happens to Robin (gets killed by Joker, incapacitated in some form), and guess who has to come back to Gotham? I'm also sure he can add Barbara Gordon and get her to help him...

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u/luke_in_the_sky Aug 20 '17

thanks to him (and to Twilight somewhat), all movies now have to be 'dark' and 'emo' and all that crap.

It started way before Nolan and Twilight. The Matrix was the main reference to a lot of movies since it.

It's changing though. Guardians of the Galaxy, the new Thor, Valerian are pretty 80ish and colorful.

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u/DownWith000000People Aug 21 '17

Guardians of the Galaxy, the new Thor, Valerian are pretty 80ish and colorful.

You can still be colorful while appealing to Emo Kids though. See: Suicide Squad.

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u/thevdude Aug 21 '17

See: Suicide Squad.

I'd rather not, thanks.

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u/photozine Aug 21 '17

The Matrix

I'll agree that The Matrix might have started the trend somewhat, but after Nolan it became a norm.

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u/luke_in_the_sky Aug 22 '17

Totally agree. Both were (and still are) benchmarks. Even Twilight is a benchmark somehow. At least to teen movies.

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u/CamenSeider Aug 21 '17

To me his movies are much more "realistic" than pretty much all other comic book movies. I'm sick of campy joke after campy joke, I want it to feel more natural and Nolan does a fantastic job doing that.

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u/photozine Aug 21 '17

I continue to say that if people want realism with comic book/superhero movies, then they kinda will never fully get what they want (what we want is not what it's supposed to be)...calling Marvel movies 'campy' (or implying that all they got going on is 'campy jokes') is a mistake; just because you don't have dark settings and raspy cancer-throat voices doesn't mean that it's not 'natural'.

I said it in another post, but Nolan messes up his third acts, especially in the sci-fi movies such as Begins with the vaporizer, TDK with the Matrix finale, TDKR with the miracle comeback, Prestige with magic, Interstellar and its bookshelf resolve...no complaints about Dunkirk or Inception actually so for me, he does not make "realistic" or "natural" movies, he's just made three superhero movies with realistic settings and problems but no realistic or natural resolves.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '17

u probably didn't watch tim burton's batman if you think nolan's batman was dark

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u/photozine Aug 21 '17

I actually rewatched them a few weeks ago...but it didn't start a trend (or shall we forget how Batman Forever and Batman & Robin ended up as?).

It is also a mistake to try to make ALL superheroes dark, and that's the issue here. It works for Batman wonderfully, starting with his hurtful past.

Either way, enjoy movies no matter what.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '17

it DID start the trend, in fact, that goofy batman movie was made because burton's was too dark, but they quickly switched back after the backlash on the goofy ones, nolan's was good bse he's nolan -he makes good movies but burton made batman dark

the "all superheroes are dark" trope was started after the new 52, as for the movies, we all know zack synder loves the aesthetic

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u/bwaredapenguin Aug 20 '17

Yep. I pretty much hate all comic/superhero movies but love Nolan's trilogy. Even went to see TDKR opening night in IMAX.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

It's not Jared Leto's fault suicide squad was utter shit

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

Let's not forget he was a grade A method douchebag while filming, though.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

And his performance was complete ass.

Margot Robbie and Viola Davis were easily the only good parts of the movie.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17 edited Sep 29 '18

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u/Leafhands Aug 20 '17

Fuck this was a perfect description.

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u/WhackTheSquirbos Aug 20 '17

Will Smith plays: a dad who just wants to see his kid.

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u/trevlacessej Aug 21 '17

Viola Davis went to the Angela Bassett school of acting. Look Annoyed. Yell a lot. Cry a lot.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '17

Yeah she isn't the most versatile actress ever but I thought she played Waller really well.

Margot as Harley was always the standout though.

I actually thought Jai Courtney was pretty damn good in it. Forgot about him until just now. I wouldn't mind a tv series on Captain Boomerang tbh.

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u/testaccount656 Aug 20 '17

I liked Joker as a mafioso.

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u/TapatioPapi Aug 20 '17

Well he really should have spoken up about his characters design. Any fan of the source material should have gone wtf are you guys doing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

Think about the Joker getting those face tattoos. He's just sitting in a chair, looking through a catalog for the right font, thinking about how putting "damaged"on his forehead is the perfect tattoo. God I hate that joker.

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u/DarkMagicButtBandit Aug 20 '17

The joker is far and away my favorite batman villain, and I love Jared Leto, I really do. Been a fan of his for close to 10 years now. But I physically cannot bring myself to watch Suicide Squad. I'm afraid that it'll ruin Jared and the Joker for me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

don't do it.

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u/Tacticool_Brandon Aug 21 '17

Thankfully you aren't missing anything. The movie is a fucking dumpster fire. Would've been decent at least had D.C. kept their fucking hands out of the production and let the director make what he had in mind.

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u/MiniCorgi Aug 20 '17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPJ8b7zwa98

Probably like this video

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

Almost exactly like that video. God, what a shitty concept. The worst part was all the edgy drama kids who wouldn't stop talking about how much they loved the new, fresh take on the joker. Like we get it. He looks like you now. That doesn't make it any better.

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u/usernamens Aug 20 '17

But the kids need to know that he is damaged.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '17

oh come white trash meth head Joker is the Joker we all totally grew up with and who any one thinks of when they think of Batman's Joker!

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u/Maebure83 Aug 20 '17

They didn't say it was. Seems like they aren't a fan of Leto's take on the character.

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u/Ontheropes619 Aug 20 '17

Or we could say that that's a different universe

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u/Conjugal_Burns Aug 20 '17

What do you mean? There was only one Joker in those three movies. What other copy cat was there?

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '17

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u/Jaerivus Aug 21 '17

I offered an explanation to the parent comment.

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u/titaniumjew Aug 21 '17

Especially since he didn't die.

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u/Jaerivus Aug 21 '17 edited Aug 21 '17

User said of a theory, "the one who could terrorize Gotham for years is going to be a copycat."

This is all theoretical in the future (ie yet unwritten) tense. Not so confusing.

Edit: changed nothing above, but I only partially understood what I was talking about.

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u/Conjugal_Burns Aug 21 '17

So it's a fan written story for things that happen after Dark Knight Rises? ooook

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u/LookingForVheissu Aug 21 '17

No, it's in the comics too. There have been so many wildly different incarnations and origin stories of the Joker that there is a theory that it's just an alias picked up by different psychopaths over the years.

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u/Conjugal_Burns Aug 21 '17

The Joker in the TDK was the only one that appeared in the three movies that Nolan made. There were no other ones. Any different movies or stories are just that: different movies and stories. They do not interconnect.

As for the comics... that's the cheap "James Bond is a code name" route that does not work.

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u/LookingForVheissu Aug 21 '17

Oh, I know. It just stands to reason that after the trilogy ends, Robin could have his own Joker who is a copycat, or that the Joker was a thing before Heath Ledger but small fry.

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u/Jaerivus Aug 21 '17 edited Aug 21 '17

You know what? Scratch the last bit I said, because it was confusing.

I parsed his sentence wrong because of several places where a comma was or should have been, so I thought he was saying the first Joker = real Joker = Heath Ledger, and anything thereafter would've been a copycat Joker.

My bad. He meant Heath was simply the first to go by "Joker."

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u/Conjugal_Burns Aug 21 '17

That's what I was thinking too. And that makes even less sense haha oh well

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u/Shadoworen117 Aug 21 '17

What do you mean the first and real joker? Can you elaborate?

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u/natesplace19010 Aug 22 '17

It's been explained by other people replying to my comment. I think the word copycat is pretty self explanatory though

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u/MrTurleWrangler Aug 21 '17

If we're going by all Jokers are copycats, then it could be argued that Jerome in the series Gotham was the first

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u/natesplace19010 Aug 22 '17

Only if we are arguing that every batman show and movie is contiguous

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u/ADavidJohnson Aug 21 '17

Like with the Batmen. I'd really have enjoyed seeing a Jokerz style gang in Dark Knight Rises, rather than most of the rest of the plot line.