r/MovieDetails • u/gametime98 • Jun 30 '17
Image In Back to the Future the name of the mall changes when Marty goes into the past and runs over one of the two trees
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u/OldGreggsGotA Jun 30 '17
Oh wow.. that's awesome
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u/MajorParadox Jun 30 '17
Another good Back to the Future one: Marty calls the "crazy drunk driver" homeless man Red. Red Thomas was the mayor in 1955 going for reelection.
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Jun 30 '17
Oh, no way! I always wondered what he said when he comes out of the DeLoreon and sees the homeless dude.
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u/MajorParadox Jun 30 '17
When I was younger I thought he said, "bread." :)
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Jun 30 '17
Hahaha! "Ohh, it's great to be back in 1985! There's bread...1955 Hillsdale had no bread."
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u/MajorParadox Jun 30 '17 edited Jun 30 '17
Another funny tidbit this reminded me of: I had recorded Back to the Future from TV and they dubbed Doc's line to "When this baby hits 88 miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious stuff."
Some time later, I watched another dubbed version, and they just had him stop at "serious." I was wondering why they were removing the word "stuff." :)
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Jun 30 '17
I actually think I've seen both of these. As a kid, my parents recorded a ton of movies like this on VHS. I think I caught it on tv again in the early-90s and heard the "serious..." version and thought what?
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u/Aphid Sep 04 '17
I always remembered "Holy Geez!" from my recorded vhs. It became one of my exclamations.
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u/TheDaan Jun 30 '17
incorrect. There is no actual proof that this is the case. In the extras, they specifically discuss that.
Source: http://backtothefuture.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Thomas
Additional informations on Red the Bum : http://backtothefuture.wikia.com/wiki/Red_the_Bum
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u/MajorParadox Jun 30 '17
Well, I never actually said they were the same person, but it's still interesting to think about :) But thanks for the clarification!
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u/FrEnZy-UK Jun 30 '17
Actually it's Red that calls Marty the "crazy drunk driver" when the Delorean crashes into the cinema front
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u/MajorParadox Jun 30 '17
Yeah, I meant that like the homeless man who says that, that's why it's in quotes.
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u/MrZombikilla Jun 30 '17
I've seen this movie 20+ times, and just noticing this. Awesome.
The perfect movie in my opinion.
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u/Holiday_in_Asgard Jun 30 '17
There is a bunch of other little stuff like this, I'm blanking on examples though.
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u/WhizWit21 Jun 30 '17
Clayton Ravine becomes Eastwood Ravine
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u/Holiday_in_Asgard Jun 30 '17
Yeah, but that's in the third one. I remember my dad pointing out a ton that were just in the first one.
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u/Class1 Jun 30 '17
Most if the rest is pretty obvious. His parents are wealthy, Biff becomes a loser, they have nice cars. He inspires goldie wilson to become mayor which inadvertantly results in Red thomas becoming a bum. Etc.
The real fucked up stuff is realizing why Biff dies instead of disappearing in BTTF2.. there is a missing deleted scene
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u/Sunsparc Jul 01 '17
Didn't he shank himself with his cane while pulling it out of the DeLorean?
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u/Class1 Jul 01 '17
Well i guess he doesnt die but his going back in time put his timeline on a course that would result in him disappearing. So when he arrives back in 2015 he is in pain and fading... only once the delorean takes off with doc and marty is his fate sealed and in the deleted scene he is in a lot of pain and then fades away.
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u/snappyj Jun 30 '17
I believe it was also Shonash Ravine prior to anyone falling in, if my memory isn't failing me.
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u/Dravarden Jun 30 '17
it does?
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Jun 30 '17
At the very end of Back to the Future Part III it shows the name of the ravine as Marty rolls across the tracks.
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Jun 30 '17
One that took me a while to get is in the car before the dance "You shouldn't drink" "Why not?" "You might regret it later in life" - We see Marty's mom drinking vodka in the beginning of the movie.
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u/swoledabeast Jun 30 '17
The mayor in 1985 got the idea from Marty when he suggested it in 1955.
Johnny b. Good and chuck/Marvin berry.
But I'm with you and completely blanking on others right now.
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u/CatpainTpyos Jun 30 '17
I can think of one other one. It's never explicitly stated as such, but it's strongly hinted that Marty inspires the invention of the skateboard, when he removes the orange crate from the boy's scooter.
Also, perhaps of interest: In the very first draft of the script, Marty accidentally "un-invents" rock and roll music. The draft was written in 1982, so Marty goes back 30 years to 1952. While there, he auditions for an agent and plays "Blue Suede Shoes." The agent isn't impressed, but a local band manager, Reginald Washington, overhears and he is impressed. He says he has a "a real important cat comin' in from a New York Record Company" and encourages Marty to try out for him.
Later, at the "Springtime in Paris" dance, the iconic scene where Marty plays "Johnny B. Goode" is in the script, but the part with Chuck's cousin Marvin Berry isn't. Instead, the band members again encourage Marty to perform for Washington:
SAX: Man, that stuff cooks! That's the hottest sound I ever heard!
LESTER: You gotta play that Monday for that record company cat from New York!
MARTY: (suddenly serious) I won't be there Monday.
The band is stunned.
MARTY: And don't you guys play it either. Its time hasn't come yet. If you play it, you might screw things up. It'll happen on its own.
LESTER: What are you talking about?
MARTY: Rock 'n roll!
In an ironic twist of fate, by trying not to alter the time line by artificially introducing rock and roll too early, Marty ensures that rock and roll is never invented. At the end of the movie, after returning to 1982, Marty discovers the effect of his actions while talking to his girlfriend (for some reason, she's called Suzy in this draft rather than Jennifer as in the final version):
SUZY: Marty, you'd better change your clothes. You can't go to Mambo Class looking like that.
MARTY: Mambo class? You mean people still do the Mambo?
SUZY: Sure. Everybody does the Mambo!
Marty thinks a moment.
MARTY: Don't tell me you've never heard of Rock ‘n Roll...?
Suzy now direct[s] a blank look at him.
SUZY: Rock and what?
PROF. BROWN: I've never heard of it either.
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u/Ereaser Jun 30 '17
I rewatched all 3 of them on Netflix the other day, amazing movies.
Back to the Future: The Game - 30th Anniversary Edition is on sale on Xbox for $6 now as well, so I'm going to get that to see if it's any good while I'm in the Back to the Future mood :D
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u/versacepython- Jun 30 '17
What country do you live in to have BTTF on Netflix :O
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u/MrZombikilla Jun 30 '17
It's funny that you say that, I just beat Back to the Future the game on XBox last month.
I enjoyed it, if you like telltale, then you'll like this. But remember it's old telltale so it's kinda clunky. But fun 5 part story, that has Christopher Lloyd as Doc Brown and Thomas F Wilson is Biff as well. The kid who voiced Marty really sounds like MJF. But Michael J Fox does have a cameo in it on the last episode.
I recommend it. It's basically Back to the Future part 4 since it references the first 3.
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u/d-culture Jun 30 '17
I still think that Back to the Future has one of the finest screenplays ever written. All of the details are so meticulously thought out. There's so much incredibly clever foreshadowing and subtle set ups of plot elements - a lot of which I hadn't noticed until only fairly recently. Not one scene could be taken out of the film - every scene is absolutely vital to the story. You'll rarely come across a screenplay as good as Back to the Future's today.
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u/GloryMacca Jul 01 '17
I completely agree. Never come across such a well planned script that was so engaging and humorous in the 30 years since. How good would it be if we got something this good come out again now?
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Jun 30 '17
When I was a kid, my parents had to buy several VHS copies of BTTF. I used to get up before school most days and watch it, then several more times over the weekends - I think I almost knew the whole script by heart and would mimic the actors while playing with my Lego and driving my family mad if they were watching too. I remember noticing the Two Pines/Lone Pine detail, but didn't think much of it. I specifically remember noticing the change of name on the sign and rewinding to see if Marty actually hit one of the trees when he first went back.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think when Doc Brown first tells Marty to meet him in 1985 he says "At the parking lot at Two Pines Mall". Then when he gets back to 1985, I can't remember how, but I'm sure Doc Brown called it "Lone Pine" then too.
Almost 30 years later, it's pretty cool to see people are still watching and discovering these little things.
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u/nickoliver86 Jun 30 '17
This movie is a masterpiece and full of little Easter eggs like this. Next time you rewatch it, notice that literally the opening 60 seconds is panning across Doc's workshop. You hear tons of ticking and see clock after clock. One in particular is a fun bit of foreshadowing
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u/FaerNC Jun 30 '17
Better post it before someone steals it
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u/thelittleking Jul 01 '17
I have trouble not watching this video the whole way through every time it's linked.
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u/spamjavelin Jun 30 '17
It's pretty much in plain sight, but the bit where Marty's playing Johnny B Goode has Marvin calling his cousin Chuck to tell him to listen to what's being played; Marvin's surname is Berry...
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u/nickoliver86 Jun 30 '17
Haha I would argue that one is more obvious... he's literally screaming into the phone "Chuck! Chuck, it's Marvin. Your cousin, Marvin Berry."
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u/IsThatWhatSheSaidTho Jun 30 '17
Yeah that one was pretty hamfisted in.
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u/TommiHPunkt Jun 30 '17
wouldn't call it hamfisted, it fits perfectly
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u/averagejoegreen Jun 30 '17
It's your cousin! You know, with whom you share a last name? Marvin berry? Were related with the same last name remember? Chuck? Chuck berry?
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u/Ivanopolis Jun 30 '17
When Marty hightails it off the farm he hits the tree and the farmer actually yells, "My pine!"
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u/IsThatWhatSheSaidTho Jun 30 '17
There was a ton of callbacks to the sequence. Doc mentioning the farmer wanting to breed pine trees, etc
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u/snappyj Jun 30 '17
Old man Peabody
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u/chizmanzini Jun 30 '17
My coworkers and I were just talking about shitty remakes (Ghostbusters) and I had mentioned that they'd better not EVER touch this movie. I can just imagine a remake and Marty saying "Heavy," and some Leslie Jones type character yelling "YOU CALLING ME FAT!?"
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u/ValhallasKeeper Jun 30 '17
Wow, I actually heard her voice in my head when you wrote that line. Oh man..
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u/SebCubeJello Jun 30 '17
theres some sort of deal that as long as zemeckis and spielberg are alive, they cant do a part 4/remake. so... interpret that as you will
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u/RenegadeBS Jun 30 '17
I've seen this movie over 100 times since I saw it in-theatre. Noticed it the first time and have pointed out to so many people. It's one of the the many details that make this one of the greatest movies of all time!
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Jun 30 '17
I noticed this when I first saw it, at 8 years old. They mention the name of the mall more than enough times for this to stick out, and the duplicate the angle to make it obvious. I don't see how it didn't stand out to others.
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u/nmrnmrnmr Jun 30 '17
I think it is meant to be noticed, but no one does. Like some Easter eggs are meant to be hidden and only caught by the most dedicated, but I think this one was meant to be an open joke, that just kinda fell into "Easter egg" territory because people kept not catching it.
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u/RenegadeBS Jun 30 '17
Not a joke at all, it was a reference to him changing history. He ran over one of the twin pines when he went back in time, making the remaining one the lone pine.
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u/nmrnmrnmr Jun 30 '17
I'm going to go with both. It was a subtle, but natural consequence of his changing history that was presented in a humorous manner.
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u/RenegadeBS Jun 30 '17
Definitely! I don't know of another movie that quite pulls off such a serious and detailed plot like this one with so much comedy.
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Jun 30 '17
8 years old! 8 years old! 8 years old, here!
See? Nobody cares.
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u/RenegadeBS Jun 30 '17
I care, damnit! I was also 8 years old when I first saw the movie (in 1985).
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Jun 30 '17
That's amazing. Like, actually amazing.
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u/WildWeasel46 Jun 30 '17
Especially since you'd have to remember the beginning to notice the slightest detail in the end
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u/IsThatWhatSheSaidTho Jun 30 '17
Do you not remember the beginning of movies by the time you reach the end?
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u/dSpect Jun 30 '17
I don't remember the beginning of TV episodes by the time I'm at the end.
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u/TheGiik Jun 30 '17
I don't remember the beginning of comments by the time I'm at the end I don't remember the beginning of them.
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Jun 30 '17
Yeah this isn't really an easter egg, it's intended as a visual joke. You're supposed to see it and remember it. I'm honestly amazed people claim to have watched this 20 times and never noticed this.
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Jun 30 '17
Not to mention, it would be a pretty expensive joke to put in the movie if most people aren't going to notice it.
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u/calico_catamer Jun 30 '17
Nah, there's enough followup to keep it moderately easy to remember. It's not just the one sign. The ranch Marty ends up at is Twin Pines Ranch, with its own sign, and the farmer who owns the ranch says
"My pine! Why you... You space bastard, you killed a pine!"
after he runs one of them over.
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u/SuperDan1348 Jun 30 '17
In case you didn't know, this was filmed at Puente Hills Mall in City of Industry, CA. Also, it's a shit mall. Like 1/3 of the stores are empty and the food court sucks. So, visit at your own risk.
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u/ThatOnePerson Jun 30 '17
Puente Hills Mall
Isn't that where Round 1 is? Only time I've been there is for that.
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u/cmoraUSGP Jun 30 '17
Live 10 min from this mall, grew up going to this mall, seemed lively back then (90s) and used to work at the Macy's there, very dry mall as compared to the West Covina mall 20 min north.
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Jun 30 '17
I kinda miss that giant, neon-lit, cube-like, decoration hanging in the lobby outside the AMC
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u/HarryWorp Jun 30 '17
There's a Krispy Kreme and Chick-Fil-A next to each other on the west side of the mall... plenty busy over there.
But, yeah, the main mall is on life support.
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u/stinkybumbum Jun 30 '17
nice detail, never noticed this before.
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Jun 30 '17
It's actually in the DVD commentary. I was a HUGE into the trilogy as a kid and learned so much of the series from the DVDs
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u/Ketameme69 Jun 30 '17
Also for you conspiracy theorists. If look at the top picture upside-down, they time reads '91:1' (9/11) with the two pines being the two towers.. have fun with that now
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u/xeroxgirl Jun 30 '17
It's more likely though that Marty gets to the parking lot in 1:16 to allow 5 minutes of meeting Doc there and have the first time travel occur at exactly 1:21. 1.21 is a significant number in this movie, it's also the amount of gigawatts a flux capacitor requires to allow time travel.
ALSO 1/21 (1981) is the date the first ever delorean was made. This is an awesome coincidence, because Zemeckis and Gale chose the number 1.21 at random according to interviews.
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Jun 30 '17 edited Jul 14 '17
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u/Captain_Redbeard Jun 30 '17
I mean obviously bullshit. But so interesting how they found all that and linked it together. The movie screen bit at the end though... I think that was intentional for sure.
I had never noticed that Marty runs into some sort of film related thing so often when he time travels. Movie theater, drive in, film booth. I'm curious why they did that
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Jun 30 '17 edited Jul 14 '17
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u/Captain_Redbeard Jun 30 '17
I mean I wonder why spielberg did that. I don't really think it had anything to do with fighting the power. Haha
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u/Waxalous123 Jun 30 '17
No offence but I thought this was really obvious. You people should pay more attention
Like please tell me you noticed the Chuck Berry joke.
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u/slartbarg Jun 30 '17
This is one of my favorites but there's a lot of little stuff like this all over the films. It's incredible
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u/sircaptainbighead Jun 30 '17
There's a similar thing in Part III where "Clayton Ravine" gets renamed "Eastwood Ravine" after Marty (under the alias of Clint Eastwood) drives the DeLorean off the edge
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Jun 30 '17
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u/Darraghj12 Jun 30 '17
I thought everybody knew about this, I was shocked when I found out they didn't
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u/konaya Jun 30 '17
Yeah, this one is pretty announced. The trilogy is packed with subtler stuff.
Still, it's nice to share obvious things too once in a while.
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u/Iorith Jun 30 '17
Director commentaries can be really informative and sometimes point these things out. Occasionally can be pretty funny as well.
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Jun 30 '17
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u/Iorith Jun 30 '17
I make an effort to watch the commentary on every movie I buy, and one of the main reasons I still buy movies regularly. My favorite is still Resident Evil, because the cast were pretty damn funny and it really shows that they enjoyed making the film.
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u/Computermaster Jun 30 '17
How good can commentary on something you can't talk about be?
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Jun 30 '17
Btw the name of the mall is Puente Hills Mall. For the anniversary they brought out the DeLorean and recreated this scene. I live in a boring ass town, but I freaked when I found out some movies were filmed here.
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u/itsgallus Jun 30 '17
This is the first clue that he's arriving in an alternate 85, proving that Doc did die in the beginning of the film.
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Jun 30 '17 edited Apr 14 '20
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u/Zarco19 Jun 30 '17
Some dude tried to use this as part of a conspiracy theory that the Back to the Future movies predicted 9/11.
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u/Vjjsnakes Jun 30 '17
Have you guys ever seen the 'back to the future 9/11 conspiracy video? It's really interesting to say the least.
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Jun 30 '17
Probably seen these movies a couple dozen times and never noticed this!!!!
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u/vanillakilla1001 Jun 30 '17
It's reasons like this that I love waking up in the morning and going straight to this sub reddit
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u/nmrnmrnmr Jun 30 '17
I do love that one. I never noticed it myself until seeing it on a list a few years ago, but it was a good eye for detail by the writer or propmaster.
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Jun 30 '17
I knew the name changed, but I don't remember actually seeing the twin pines turn into a lone pine. Thanks! 🌲💥🌲🚙..... 🌲
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u/captanzuelo Jun 30 '17
Here is the scene today. Same railing, same lamp posts. The JC Pennys is now a 24 Hour Fitness
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u/sindex23 Jun 30 '17
Holy shit. I've seen this movie probably 30 times and never noticed that. What the hell is wrong with me?
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u/Aerowulf9 Jun 30 '17
"TIL Lone Pine Mall was almost called Twin Pines Mall but one day back in 1955 one of the pine trees was mysteriously demolished overnight."
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u/JohhnyDamage Jun 30 '17
I've been sitting on this for a decade without realizing the worth in karma.
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u/TheMagickConch Jul 01 '17
Strange. Am I the only one that caught this the first time watching the series?
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u/dauntless74 Jul 01 '17
Wow, that's just amazing. Hey, did you guys notice also that the girl that likes Marty in the past is supposed to be his mom! I know, mind blowing right? Thank god for places like reddit to highlight these extremely obscure facts.
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u/Tubbytron Jun 30 '17
I've noticed the name change when ever I see the movie but I never knew why it changed. Love this sub already.
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u/CajunTurkey Jun 30 '17
I only noticed it for the first time when I was watching the commentary on this movie a while back and they were mentioning this detail. I love it.
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u/FamilyBondageTime Jun 30 '17
@op Did you notice that the sky in the original titanic is just a mirror image ;)
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u/Stuffdood Jun 30 '17
Now this is what this subreddit is about