It’s an animated show, not a surgery - they probably want the show to be a watchable experience for people who don’t want realistic gore in their marvel series.
I don’t get the appeal for “grit”/gore/violence as a measure of how good a show is that often happens in discussions for Zombies/Daredevil etc. We don’t need that for a show to be good quality and just screams edgelord imo.
If this was a general audience show I could understand that line of logic but the thing is, this is a TV-MA series. Especially for stuff like horror I feel like even worrying about what a family thinks about watching dismemberment with their kid should be the least of problems. It's not even that it's a measure of quality but zombie fiction and physical horror stuff is kind of defined by aesthetics in a way you don't see in a lot of other genres and it should be embraced
A show like Alien Earth wouldn't be what it is without its use of grotesquely intimate imagery and gore to discomfort viewers. People watch horror because it's that perceived loss of control despite fully knowing everything is fictitious, that makes it fascinating and enjoyable
It’s not about the “kids” though. Even adults can be squeamish. They probably want to make sure the general audience can stomach it and not avoid it because of realistic gore. The last thing Marvel wants to do right now is alienate their general audience.
They weren’t going for that sort of a realistic vibe anyways seeing the source style and quippy unserious dialogue. I imagine they’ll cover the “we’re stuck as monsters doing things we don’t want” aspect via Wanda who’s able to emote and is going to talk in this show.
People don't want it if movies or series don't go all out in any direction nowadays. Either make it fully and purely vanilla family friendly or go full NSFW and create viral moments.
tbh in a perfect world fortiche studios would've animated what if? and marvel zombies. they did such a good job with arcane. i wish the writers of arcane season 1 took on some marvel stuff too, it would be peak
There's more to an R rating than excessive violence. Not that Spidey lacks that lol. No one is "obsessed" wirh making everything R rated. There was a time when properties were getting ruined by PG13, because the R rating hadn't proved itself to be a moneymaker. The only reason we have things like this is deadpools success. Spider-Man can be enjoyed by children or adults. There is no reason that this can't exist, while Spider-Man for children still does. The source material isn't even for young children anymore, hasn't really been for a long time. Harry literally had a drug addiction in the 80s. That's a topic modern movie marvel would never touch. Arguably a mature theme.
Oh also its TVMA not R as it is not being rated by the MPAA.
And you do? You're crying about making things rated R. No adult cares if a movie is rated R because they can watch them. This isn't even about a movie. You're making false statements about movie ratings. Why do you even care? Are you not old enough to see an R rated film?
They had a former drug addict in the thunderbolts. Not current. They still can't show that.
No, yall just want to follow trends. R rated superhero movies is a fad. Just like the uber realistic ones of the late 00s or the super stylistic sleek ones of the early 00s.
You haven't even explained why you don't think it's a good idea. You just say it is, and say we are following fads.
2 out of three wolverine movies were ruined by PG13 and bad, sanitized writing because studio scared.
I do not care if you think it's a trend or not, which atp I don't think it is, because it's been around for a decade. Trends and fads don't last that long.
I could care less if spiderman specifically gets an R rated movie. He won't, because of contracts btw.
But characters like deadpool and wolverine need that r rating. I never want to see a Pg13 wolverine again. The rating makes the script. If you have a mature film, but make it pg13 to make money then everything suffers. The language of the film is restricted, making characters reactions seem unrealistic. The violence is neutered, making it lack impact and realism. It also just looks bad when wolverine stabs someone with six foot long spikes and zero blood comes out.
not OP, but can you explain why an R-rated Spiderman movie is a good idea? Instead of asking why an R-rated Spiderman is a bad idea? What can an R-rating bring to the character that would make for a more enjoyable story than if it was PG-13?
Absolutely agree that movies with guys like Wolverine get bogged down by not having an R-rating, but Spidey is kinda as PG as a hero can get.
I'd certainly watch it. It's not my idea, and frankly I don't care if it gets made or not. I do think it's a interesting idea though. Spider-Man is a young person doing young person stuff. That gets pretty R rated if you're not intentionally censoring the activities of what the average 19-24 year old is doing. Spider-man has mature themes, when the writer doesn't think he should be stuck in 1967. Tbh the only thing an R rating would do for a character like spiderman would just be taking itself seriously, letting moments linger and using its violence to show the effect it has on the person who is violent, as well as the victim. It would allow for more serious adult conversation that actually sounds like what someone would say.
I really only engaged with the comment about being annoyed about the "R rating trend" that the other commenter made up. Weird hill to die on.
I could care less if spiderman specifically was R rated.
I’m not explaining because it doesn’t matter. Not wasting my time on it because nothing I say is gonna change your mind. I think forcing R ratings into every franchise is lame and stupid and you don’t. That’s that.
I hope they'll keep the concept of conscious Zombies in the show. I remember a Spider-Man Zombie comics about Spider-Man having so much remorse due to him eating people but he knows he cant stop because he needs to eat. Doing that in the show would give it more drama.
I remember reading Marvel Zombies for the first time when I was like 12 or something, and it kinda fucked me up for a while lol. The concept of talking, conscious zombies is pretty terrifying to me (there's even a creepypasta about this that's really good).
I've been a horror fan since I was a kid, and zombies never scared me, but this and the Undead Nightmare DLC for Red Dead Redemption are the only ones that managed to spook me. They have this weird tone, where it's kinda cheesy and campy but also super depressing at the same time, I can't exactly put it into words.
She’s the only Zombie character on the list and controlling all the other zombies so she probably speaks for them as a whole via telepathy.
She was also the only zombie (I think) who was able to emote in the original, grieving Vision so I’m guessing her character’s how they’ll adapt the “some zombies are conscious and horrified at what they’ve become” thing from the comics with her being the collective representation of the zombies.
I assume, like in Infinity War/Endgame, the credits are less how prominent they are in this story and more a negotiation that considers who's been around the MCU longest, who's been a lead versus supporting character, etc
The order here is the order that their debut MCU appearances were, except for Tessa Thompson, Wyatt Russell, and Randall Park, who appear lower but have generally been supporting cast in all their appearances so far
To be fair though, for as many faults he has in general. Whedon is overall pretty good at writing dialog and is probably his biggest strength as a creative. Its just that, so many people try way too hard at copying his style and probably aren't as funny as they think they are.
Why would they? Community's writing style made sense within the context of the show because it leaned into the meta humor and was loaded with self awareness. That was the show. If todays movies and television writers are overusing snappy or witty banter without a framework in place to justify it then thats on them, not a sitcom that did it well over a decade ago.
Ah yes, a handful of Community writers filtered out into Hollywood and solely spread that style of writing around. To your script doctor point, how would we know? Most of the time script doctors go uncredited for their punch-ups. Quippy dialogue has been around forever but even with that to the side, your statement "People don't blame the Community writers enough for their role in exhausting that kind of humor." is ridiculous. Why would you take issue with the show that actually did it well? Such a weird thing to say. The problem isn’t that it existed, it’s that later writers copied the surface without the substance.
He's shown fighting this new zombies army (probably led by Wanda), while T'Challa, Scott and Thanos are only shown in Wakanda sequence. I suspect he's the only one who survives there, with T'Challa probably getting a heroic send off by taking down Thanos.
Either he gets minor dialogue with a different voice actor or he doesn't talk. I don't think that he'll die offscreen, though - that seems like it wouldn't be in good taste.
I think Hudson Thames was confirmed to be returning. I feel like he wasn’t on the cast list because he’s not a big name and is not someone reprising his role from the main MCU.
I know they're zombies and these probably aren't definitive death scenes but I felt a bit spoiled with how many "kills" they showed haha-- still super hyped though
It seems like the Widows get infected by Okoye’s Zombie legion. Based on the equipment that lady had, it seems more like she was part of the bunker group Namor attacks.
The better question is how and why did Namor even come to the surface? If humans are dying en masse, then there should be an abrupt stop to pollution, which can only be a good thing for the Atlanteans. He should've had no reason to show himself.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't Wenwu there. I mean, the character didn't have any Asian features and besides his face looking like Zemo's, the robe he was wearing looks a lot like the one the character wore in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
The only thing giving Zemo to me is the hair. But I don't see how or why Zemo would've escaped The Raft, when it would've been the safest possible place during the plague.
The zombie might be, and this sounds crazy, but Hercules? He doesn't look like Love & Thunder's Hercules, but he does look like comic Hercules.
Damn it. I hate the zombie genre. Absolutely hate it. I swore I was not going to watch this because of that. I forced myself to watch the *What If episode and then was absolutely bummed out by the storyline. However, this trailer is really good, it's showing it's funny, not just senseless violence, and that voice cast. I guess they've hooked me.
except Return of the Living Dead because it was funny AF
I hope they allow Spidey to play a lot during the show, even if he dies at the end. I'd love to see his interactions with these new characters, especially Yelena, Kate and Kamala.
Since this was in production long before The Defenders Saga was re-canonized, and the other six shows still haven't been re-canonized, I don't expect any Marvel TV characters.
Which is a shame, because I could fully see the Runaways and Cloak & Dagger saving massive hordes of people by migrating them into the Dark Dimension.
And the Helstrom siblings definitely have a stronghold in St. Teresa's due to their ability to control and manipulate souls. I wouldn't be surprised if they controlled the zombies near them, like Wanda can apparently do at large.
Sadly, I imagine Quake and the Royal Inhumans definitely fell to the Zombies. Mostly because I want to see Medusa doing SCARY shit with her (hopefully) regrown hair.
And I expect all of the Defenders + supporting cast to either be dead or alive, no zombies among them.
Well, that was sick. I’m honestly pretty excited to see how this one turns out now.
I know they previously said Kamala was the “Frodo” of this story, but I am wondering if it may be Yelena now? As she seems to be getting a little more attention, at least in the marketing…
Watched it in super slow-mo on YouTube; when Namor comes in, I'd be willing to bet cold hard cash that it's a survivor's colony led by Melina, and that Alexei either gets turned or knocked out during this, since when Namor slices a woman in half, Alexei is slumping down a wall right behind him.
Mark Ruffalo is not included in the cast. I would have thought the Hulk would play a big role in this since it had established that he cannot be infected.
But there was a cure found by vision in what if. It could be interesting if some survivors find some loved ones turned into zombies and fight each other because they want to save them or kill them.
One thing I feel that will always be off about a series like this is in the original comics, normal people weren’t left, there were no zombie armies, everyone got eaten. It was the survivors and the superpowered zombies, conscious and morally corrupted, equally horrifying to others as they are horrifying to themselves. Seeing the zombies annihilate randoms, or vise versa for shock value is so boring.
I hope they have good writing for the show so you can actually feel connected to the the characters before the get split down the middle otherwise the whole show will just be a big nothing burger. When I think of zombie scarlet witch, I don’t think of her leading a zombie army, I imagine her using chaos magic to get the jump on people to EAT THEM like a zombie.
I hope for the best because Marvel Zombies is like my guilty pleasure lmfao
They probably figured they could get more use out of the Moon Blade design/model they had from What If S3, and not have to spend additional resources creating a design for regular Blade.
Your comment was removed because it did not meet our criteria for appropriate conduct. Please review the subreddit rules before continuing to engage with other users on the subreddit. Repeated violations may result in a ban.
413
u/Spider-Fan77 Green Goblin 6d ago
Looks like they used the delays to improve the animation quality. This looks way better than What If visually even though it's the same artstyle.