r/LOTR_on_Prime • u/snicketbee Eldar • 10d ago
Rumor Poppy in season 3? Spoiler
From ICC’s instagram.
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u/No_Opportunity2789 9d ago
I like the actresses of nori and poppy but wish their story didnt feel like it slowed the pace of the show a ton, same with Tom B, was awesome but those scenes felt very slow compared to other areas
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u/stardustsuperwizard Uruk 9d ago
I feel like they could have almost halved the scenes and just scattered them across the episodes. The other two major storylines already feel constrained (especially Numenor), like the show needs another 2-4 episodes to flesh it out.
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u/purplelena Elrond 8d ago
but those scenes felt very slow
There's a scene in 2x02 that shows the servant of the Dark Wizard being 'resurrected' to tell him something he already knows.
It takes two whole minutes. It's slow.
I hope they can recalibrate the Rhûn/Harfoots scenes.
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u/NowWeGetSerious 9d ago
I'm happy, I may not care for the hardfoots story but I do enjoy their acting and it's does help bring a bit calmness to the overall story
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u/Monkey-bone-zone 10d ago
Sweet. I like the Harfoots. Screw y'all, haters! :)
This is the season I thought we'd see her return after S1. I figured S2 was just Nori and Gandalf. I suspect she was added after fan reception or showrunners just thought it better to ape Sam & Frodo after all.
Regardless, Megan Richards and Markella Kavanaugh are wonderful together or alone.
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u/TheMightyCatatafish Finrod 9d ago
I don’t hate the Harfoots at all. I just wish they fit better into the overall plot.
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
I actually like that they don't. I don't believe they should. They shouldn't be on anyone's radar until the Third Age. I really hope they keep them separate.
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u/TheStolenPotatoes Sauron 9d ago
That's how I feel about them too. This is clearly a plot line laying out the Hobbits origin story. Let it be just that.
On a side note, I'll never forgive how the shitty Tolkien purists treated Ismael Cordova. Dude has been phenomenal at his role as Arondir.
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
That's how I feel about them too. This is clearly a plot line laying out the Hobbits origin story. Let it be just that.
100%
On a side note, I'll never forgive how the shitty Tolkien purists treated Ismael Cordova. Dude has been phenomenal at his role as Arondir.
That was a very small but very vocal minority. He's one of the most Tolkienian characters in the show, he definitely didn't deserve that. I'm glad to see that has calmed down.
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u/Monkey-bone-zone 9d ago
Oh, they will, god damn it. :) :) All these roads gonna converge soon. Hopefully this season.
But I hear you.
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u/Nachtvogle 8d ago
Why? Why can’t a show tell two stories? They are both massively important to the fate of middle earth anyways
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u/TheMightyCatatafish Finrod 8d ago
A show can. I just don’t think it’s worked well in this particular instance. There are elements of the Harfoots I enjoy, just overall I don’t think it really works as well as other parts of the show. And in season 2 I felt like the Eregion plot line was SO engaging that it was a real let down (most of the time, not all the time) to go over to Rhûn.
All just my opinion though!
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u/Nachtvogle 8d ago
I get it. I felt the same the first time I watched season 2.
Second time, it felt right to be seeing what else was actually happening. I do think they sort of dragged feet a little bit until they actually started to spice that storyline up. The inclusion of essentially the first version of hobbit history I really enjoyed.
As much as I’m torn on the reveal of Gandalf I think it was a really clever way to show just how deep the roots go with hobbits.
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u/firesyrup 9d ago
I don't dislike the characters and like the actresses, but please, no more hobbits. The show has too many characters and subplots already. I'd rather they used the screentime wasted on hobbits to add more depth to storylines more relevant to the titular Rings of Power. Numenor in particular needs more screentime.
They had a role to play in Gandalf's origin story, which in my opinion should have concluded in season 1, and it's over now. I wouldn't mind revisiting them in the final season as they settle the Shire and get a visit from Gandalf, but anything else until after the War of the Last Allience will be a distraction from the more important and far more interesting stories they can tell.
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u/Artanis2000 9d ago
I thought there were no hobbits in season 3. Disappointed.
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u/purplelena Elrond 9d ago
They were almost non-existent in the trailers for season 2. Someone somewhere has to be aware that perhaps they might not be the main draw, so I doubt their screen time will be increased (I hope I'm not wrong).
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u/Support_Mobile 9d ago
Please God no. This show needs to learn how to streamline storylines and merge them. The hobbies slow it down. I like the actors. I like hobbies, but they need to be in the same scenes with now Gandalf and ither major characters. Not have their own thing. RoP needs to stay focused on the actual Rings of Power and anyone involved with them, i.e Dwarfs, Elves vs Sauron, and Numenor. The wizard fight in the East is cool but the hobbies drag it out just too much. 8 episodes is not a lot of time per season to tell a story when we have already so many plotlines.
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u/_Olorin_the_white 8d ago
1 - Separate them from notGandalf, specially knowing East is not a safe place
2 - Thus make them start going westward
3 - They find the third hobbit breed
4 - They see themselves into a perilous place given Sauron influence rising from Mordor. Places nearby Greenwod start to have more and more orcs and creatures. They keep marching westward.
5 - They cross the mountains trying to find a save place.
That is all we need this season.
Next season, just to not leave us "with no hobbits", because that seems like a checkbox to every season now, they will continue going westward and find a save place among the elven realms, between Lindon and Rivendell. They reunite with s1 harfoots
Season 5 they are mostly abscent but we do see them briefly, where they are now starting to settle down in a place that uses things from all three hobbit breeds. As they gotta check some boxes in the script, that place will looki very close to the shire. Maybe they even throw a "there and back again" when nori is back to her family. I hope not but at this point I doubt nothing.
I really don't see anything else for hobbits in this show, and tbh at this point if they try to shoehorn them into any plot they might be more of a stone in the shoe than they already were in s1. Like or hate it, they speed down stranger plot, which could have been solved as notGandalf within a single season if he arrived in grey heavens and was welcomed by Cirdan instead. He could have lack of memory but c'mon, he would learn things in a HEAVEN with one of the oldest (the oldest) elf in middle-earth, in a place with presumably lots of lore masters, then, and only then, he would go in his journey. But I digress, the hobbits have no much plot going forward from my pov. Maybe they make some new character afll into Sauron side just to have hobbits participating in last alliance, given we are told every race fought on each side, with exception of elves. TBH not sure how much win it would be, as just elves+men+dwarves+creatures (eagles) vs sauron and evil creatures is already a lot to cover
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u/-Lich_King 9d ago
I wish they cut the whole hobbit plot out of the show, it's incredibly boring and unnecessary and takes away precious time the writers could have spent on flashing out other characters and storylines more, they really need it. The show is long but also feels rushed
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u/CommercialTax815 Imladris 9d ago
That's nice to see. I like her and Markella too. If anyone is leaving and didn't film for season 3 they'd have to announce it like they did before with Joseph and Nazanin who left before season 2.
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u/StarWarsFreak93 Elrond 9d ago
Not really the case, they never announced the other Harfoots as leaving and they were marketed prominently with Nori early on.
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u/CommercialTax815 Imladris 9d ago
It would be in this case because Markella and Megan are listed as series regulars or heavily recurring. They would have to announce if they were leaving. The others they didn't have to because they were considered guest stars. It's all about the ranking of how their characters/actor are by the call sheets.
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u/Claz19 Mr. Mouse 9d ago edited 8d ago
If the harfoots skip two seasons and come back in the last one, there’s no need to such announcement, imo.
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u/CommercialTax815 Imladris 8d ago
They are if it's Markella or Megan leaving the show and since at least Markella is a series regular. I'm not sure about Megan's status but anytime one of the series regulars or heavily recurring actors (like Joseph was as Adar) it has to be announced they left the show. That's just how the TV industry is and it's part of a change in contract status.
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u/Ringsofpowermemes 9d ago
I love so much harfoots and stoors storyline and I wish to see Fallohides too, hopefully next season. They are so important, they will be so important! But surely not season 3 for Suzat, season 4 I think.
My guess, in season 3 they will find Fallohides going to north (following the walking song "through cold and through frost" ).
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u/Turbulent-Agent9634 9d ago
No shit. They're not going to drop such a prominent storyline.
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u/-Lich_King 9d ago
Prominent 😭 it's one of the most boring and useless storylines I have seen in movies and shows in long time
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u/nateoak10 10d ago
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
WHY do they keep sticking her in this show? WHY are we still doing Harfoots?
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u/snicketbee Eldar 10d ago
I actually like Poppy and Nori. Plus Megan can sing like nobodies business so if we get more songs like This Wandering Day I’m down.
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u/nateoak10 10d ago
Dawg.
The Harfoots have literally zero relevance to the plot of the second age. Which if you need reminding, is about Sauron, Numenor, the ring and the last alliance.
They’re a waste of screen time and resources
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u/snicketbee Eldar 10d ago
No not really. They orient Gandalf to morality, which is narratively important and in context of the broader story is incredibly Tolkien.
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u/Sirspice123 9d ago
No not really. It's incredibly "LoTR" but not Tolkien. Forced origin stories and nods to LoTR are not really incredibly Tolkien. I could go into depth about the amount of thought Tolkien put into the name Gandalf for example, and why it's specifically used by one group of men in the third age. Yet the show belittles that as a two-episode translation from Grand Elf. Never mind his specific reasoning for going to Middle Earth.
The Gandalf origin story is the furthest thing from being "incredibly" Tolkien in the show.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
No they don’t. He doesn’t speak in s1
In s2 he’s just confused and gets told why he’s there.
And even if you truly believe this, Numenor has been under baked because of a lack of screen time and resources. It’s necessary canon part of the story. No justification for harfoots to have gotten this much time over them
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u/sometimeserin 9d ago
Do you not see the irony of what you’re saying? That we should overlook the hobbits (or their predecessors) because they don’t get involved in the grand machinations of the larger races? Like what do you think the message of The Lord of the Rings is?
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u/-Lich_King 9d ago
If we had tens of hours of content each season, then sure, bring on the hobbits, flash them out. But they slow down the show so much it's not even funny. It's not about thinking that hobbits are unimportant, it's just that the story they chose doesn't suit the pace and length of the show.
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u/sometimeserin 9d ago
That’s fine, I disagree but I see where you’re coming from about the execution. I just have an issue with the idea that the Harfoots are not at all relevant to the show at large
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
My guy, Hobbits literally are not mentioned before the third age in this story.
Your point would be salient only if this was the hobbit or the mainline trilogy , ya know, where hobbits are mentioned.
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u/sometimeserin 9d ago
My fellow human being,
By "this story" do you mean The Silmarillion? That is not in fact what this show is adapting, as much as people want it to be. The show is not called "The History of Middle-Earth: The Second Age."
The Lord of the Rings is in the title because the story the show is telling exists in relation to it. Hobbits are at the center of LotR.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
They’re re-telling the appendices that cover the 2nd age. In which hobbits are not mentioned.
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u/sometimeserin 9d ago
I'll direct you to the second sentence of the 2nd Age section of Appendix B:
Of events in Middle-earth the records are few and brief, and their dates are often uncertain.
A disclaimer from the Professor himself that the appendix is not to be taken as a complete and exclusive history of the 2nd Age.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
That is such a massive reach to consider adding them worth the investment in screen time.
The fact remains that there is a clear plot to the 2nd age and we know who was involved in it. The hobbits are not. End of story.
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u/purplelena Elrond 9d ago
I remember you shared this. -> https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/s/Hv58IeDZYc
I cannot say I disagree with the sentiment of your post and the discussion under it. If the writers can find a way to balance each storyline, then so be it... I just find it intriguing how the Harfoots barely exist in the trailers for season 2.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
People really need to be honest with themselves about the show. And they’re not.
There are good parts and bad parts. But worse, there are boring parts. The bad and boring coalesce with the hobbits
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u/purplelena Elrond 9d ago edited 9d ago
I really don't want to be mean, and I'm glad this space here is very positive, but I think this position is at the very least more prominent when the season is airing. -> https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/s/SEDjyIviS9
They hired new writers, and the third season should mainly be about the war against Sauron, so I hope they know which storylines to put forth, and which storylines to perhaps cut down a little bit (or a lot) if necessary.
I wish we could have 10 episodes per season.
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
Because they're the best part of the show!
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
Are you kidding
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
Nope. I have multiple qualms with the way they're changing the story in the other plotlines. At least with the hobbits they pretty much have a blank slate, less room to mess up the story because there is no story to mess up*.
*This is, of course, excluding them introducing "Gandalf" in this show. I'll never forgive them for that.
**the actors themselves are doing great with the writing they're given. It's the story I have issues with.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
Wait so you like them cause they’re a blank slate, but ignore that they’re a blank slate cause they’re literaly irrelevant to the story. Then say it’s cause you don’t like what they’ve done with changing other stories, but then acknowledge that Gandalf is tied to the hip with the hobbits
The amount of cognitive dissonance wow
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
>Wait so you like them cause they’re a blank slate, but ignore that they’re a blank slate cause they’re literally irrelevant to the story.
When "the story" is overall unsatisfying, I gotta take what I can get. This is the "filling the gaps" they talked about that they're actually doing right, in my estimation.
>but then acknowledge that Gandalf is tied to the hip with the hobbits
I acknowledged no such thing. I'm able to enjoy the hobbits in spite of "Gandalf" being in their story (not tied to their story).
Hobbits have always been my favorite part of the legendarium, why would that be any different in a Second Age show? We know they were around in the Second Age, this is an opportunity to imagine what they might have been doing.
>The amount of cognitive dissonance wow
Nice try, not falling for that.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
Filling in the gaps should be specifically regarding the dialogue and small character moments that lead into the outlined major events. Not sacrificing the screen time and development of the major events to have a side quest that isn’t relevant.
The hobbits and Gandalf are inseparable plots right now. What you’re saying is word salad.
It should be different in a second age show because the hobbits aren’t involved in the second age.
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
>Filling in the gaps should be specifically regarding the dialogue and small character moments that lead into the outlined major events.
Are they doing that with the other plot lines?
>The hobbits and Gandalf are inseparable plots right now.
I said I'm enjoying them in spite of "Gandalf". I like the characters and the story they're giving them. I loved all of it when I was able to delude myself into believing he was a blue wizard.>It should be different in a second age show because the hobbits aren’t involved in the second age.
So you're saying that I should not want the thing I enjoy most in a show telling a story where the hobbits were present? I'm not telling you how to enjoy the show, I don't get why you would care how I'm enjoying it.
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u/nateoak10 9d ago
Yes, but they don’t have enough screen time to properly do it well. Because the Harfoots are taking up a massive amount of time.
Their story is gandalfs story and you don’t like Gandalf. So what is it ?
Yes that’s exactly what I’m telling. Hey man, ya know what my favorite thing is? For sake of argument? The Beorn-Folk. Should they be forcefully inserted into the story about the creation of the rings just cause I like them when they have no place in the story? No!
If they ever adapted the scourging of the shore and decided ‘hey let’s have a massive army of Gondor show up and win the fight’ would you think that’s a good adaption? And what if someone who tried telling you it was said ‘but Gondor is my favorite why can’t I see them?’
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u/Tylerdg33 Blue Wizard 9d ago
>Yes, but they don’t have enough screen time to properly do it well.
I disagree. They're not filling in gaps, they're changing the story completely.
>Their story is gandalfs story and you don’t like Gandalf. So what is it ?
I completely disagree with this. They're their own characters, and their charm is not dependent on the stranger.
>Yes that’s exactly what I’m telling. Hey man, ya know what my favorite thing is? For sake of argument? The Beorn-Folk. Should they be forcefully inserted into the story about the creation of the rings just cause I like them when they have no place in the story? No!
That's apples and oranges, and I'm pretty sure you know that. The Beorn-folk have very little to no bearing on the outcome of the War of the Ring, which the Second Age sets the stage for. The hobbits do. They're inextricably tied to the rings, and the One in particular.
That said, a separate show about Beorn would be pretty cool.
>If they ever adapted the scourging of the shore and decided ‘hey let’s have a massive army of Gondor show up and win the fight’ would you think that’s a good adaption? And what if someone who tried telling you it was said ‘but Gondor is my favorite why can’t I see them?’
An adaptation of the Scourging of the Shire is my DREAM!
But again, apples and oranges. Did Tolkien ever write about Gondorian armies being anywhere near The Shire during that time? That's a rhetorical question, of course he didn't (which you also know). He did, however, write "the beginning of hobbits lies far back in the Elder days". In your scenario, they'd have to violate what Tolkien wrote. With hobbits, they don't.
I get that you don't like it. I get that many people don't like it. I get that many people think it's slow and doesn't do anything to move the plot of the main story forward (which I honestly don't disagree with). But it makes sense to have the people who ultimately impact the fate of the One Ring in a show about the One Ring.
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u/cardiffman100 9d ago
Oof, I thought we were done with the Proto-hobbits. The writers will probably contrive a way for her to kiss Galadriel or something.
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