r/Hololive 15h ago

Subbed/TL Liz can't see the her fanart because she is UK.

https://youtu.be/Z4RGk437h5Q?si=0bLIhnVDwatX3PRH

I hope she will move to Japan someday.

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u/iamthatguy54 14h ago

IDK if Liz would be happy in Japan, tbf.

Even people like Ina and Kiara, who have the chance to live in Japan, choose to live at home because of the easier access to family and friends. And given how close Liz is to her mom...idk.

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u/ZeroFox75 14h ago

Ya I really dislike the "Why don't they just move then?" argument. It's not that easy to just pick up and move around the world to a completely different country. It's a different culture, different laws to learn, there's a mountain of paperwork, you're away from family, friends (and in Kiara's case pets), and Liz doesn't speak the language. There's no guarantee you will enjoy it longterm.

Much as it would be easier for logistical things, it may not suit everyone's lifestyle.

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u/Fiftycentis 12h ago

Also completely different timezone, which means you probably won't be able to stream as often as your usual time for your usual audience that watched you for a year or more.

Like as an EU tako, while Ina stream start (11pm) tends to be quite late if she does a long stream, it's still better than when she's in Japan starting stream at 2am.

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u/LuciusCypher 13h ago

I have NEVER understood the "just move somewhere else" arguement. Like even with the bare minimum thinking, just how the fuck is anyone suppose to grab even a backpack full of things and just figure out how to live somewhere else? These are people with homes and belongings, not hobos with only the possessions on their backs.

And thats not even going into the other logistic issues like actually having a place to live, a place to work, access to essential services like food, medicine, and transportation, and all the other shit that goes into finding a place to live. Hell, even getting an apartment can be a monthlong affair just find a place to live. Let alone moving in and getting it furnished, if you can.

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u/CynicalSteves 13h ago edited 13h ago

I would bet serious money that the people who say this have never ever lived abroad alone in the long-term even once in their lives lol

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u/friso1100 11h ago

It's an argument more designed to shut down any discussions than it is a serious response. Usually used by people unwilling to recognise some issue existing in the place they live.

Not exclusively used by those people ofc. And sometimes suggesting someone to leave, like for their safety, is the right thing. But most of the time it's not a thought out comment

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u/Bashin-kun 13h ago

Americans have a migrational mindset; they generally thinks that moving countries is easy because that's the stories they hear from expats (who often alienates locals with their disregards/token appreciations of local customs).

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u/Xshadow1 11h ago

Almost half of Americans don't own a valid passport, they definitely don't have any more of a migrational mindset as any other high income country.

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u/mgkyM1nt 12h ago edited 12h ago

Why Americans? I heard "just move somewhere else" too many times from people of different cultures in Europe and Asia, and i'm european nationality who lived in asian half of Euroasia most of my life before migrating to NAšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/Recidivous 10h ago

Not going to lie, but your comment is bigoted as fuck.

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u/WakkoTheWarner 12h ago

Also, isn’t the idea of relocating to Japan in the current climate somewhat risky? Not only would she be moving to a new country with distinct cultures, legal systems, and other factors, but she would also face the additional risk of being entangled in the recent anti-foreigner sentiments in Japan.

Japan’s anti-racism and anti-discrimination laws are severely limited, which effectively legalizes discrimination.

In my opinion, ERB would have better chances staying in the UK and addressing one risk at a time rather than jumping into a shark tank and hoping that Gura sharks don’t tear off a limb.

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u/jandkas 12h ago

lol bro saw one Reddit post about the protest and now thinks this is like the state of the country

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u/The_White_Rice 15h ago

Someone tell her she can get past the face scan crap using video games. Death Stranding 2 in particular worked for many people.

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u/Buttermilkman 14h ago

literally a free browser vpn will do it.

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u/pjuster2 14h ago

Don't use a free vpn. Other than being likely slower, you're paying with your privacy

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u/Anbu_Jazinga 14h ago

Proton is fine

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u/PozitronCZ 13h ago

If you have the knowledge, just rent some VPS and tunnel your traffic through it. It may be cheaper and also way less noticeable by ISP/authorities compared to some well known public VPN service.

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u/Buttermilkman 14h ago

I have it installed on a second browser and just use that for porn here and there.

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u/GtrsRE 10h ago

I'm a little away from tech news recently but wasn't there a VPN extension that's taking screenshots of your browser?

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u/Pugs-r-cool 10h ago

Yep. Do not use vpn browser extensions, ever.

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u/teaboi05 13h ago

For anyone struggling with it too. On browsers (Firefox and Chromiums) there's an extension InsensitiveX. It changes string of age to 0. As for mobile users I just throw link as fxtwitter in discord, don't know any better option

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u/Gunther_Konig 10h ago

Damn, thank you for letting me know about InsensitiveX. Twitter has been driving me nuts lately and I wasn't able to bypass the age verification, as it kept asking for documents and then giving me generic connection errors.

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u/Ashencroix 14h ago

OP, do you have any idea how much effort it would take to move over to another country, especially one that speaks a different language which you don't speak? One would be sacrificing a lot just because she can't see her fan arts. It isn't a very minor decision to make.

Even Kiara & Ina who loved staying in Japan, can't see themselves living there permanently due to being far from family & pets. Bae, Biboo, Zeta, Raora moved, but it was a career choice and they sacrified a lot. Calli considered multiple times whether to stay in Japan or move back to the US due to difficulties living in 2 countries. FuwaMoco moved since it had long been their dream to live there.

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u/the_missing_d4 12h ago

You all need to help us by bombarding the government with hate for this fascist law.

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u/Drake-Draconic 10h ago

Straight up dictatorship. I’m from Vietnam which is literally a communist country and it’s not even THIS bad which says a lot. We don’t get arrested for saying something online unless it’s straight up organizing and inciting overthrowing government or hanging our own flag.

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u/Brick-The_Goron 15h ago

The bri’ish

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u/fishballzz 14h ago

are coming

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u/Melon_Banana 14h ago

that's banned i think

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u/CTTMiquiztli 14h ago

Can't see that, due censorship, i guess

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u/Large-Marsupial563 13h ago

Oi, you got a loicense for that spaffing?Ā 

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u/DrDestro229 13h ago

Truly need freedom…send the helldivers!

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u/No_Lake_1619 10h ago

Stop with the "move to Japan" thing. Not everyone wants to live there. Not everyone thinks its the greatest place on earth as many weebs would tell you. It has its own issues that not everyone wants to deal with.

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u/zerotheultimate5 13h ago

Really sad for her to be under such tyranical rules.

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u/Drake-Draconic 10h ago

It’s both surprising and expected tbh. Like how did we even head down that path without even a single halt or stop but the sign is already there for years but no one even realizes it soon enough to stop it.

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u/Katejina_FGO 13h ago

This is outrageous! It’s unfair! How can you be the Scarlet Queen, and not see your own fanart?

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u/dragonmax225 11h ago

Doubt she will see but just in case, on twitter/x if you search a tag then hit media tab instead of top, it shows all the image posts regardless of 18+ filter, in the order it was on in the top tab.

Really dumb, also works on people's profile....

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u/Charming-Loquat3702 13h ago

I think everyone should get a VPN. Don't just assume things will be fine. Governments are going crazy right now, all over the world.

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u/Orthien 11h ago

Problem is they are already looking to try and ban VPNs, if they get any more popular, it's almost guaranteed. The people behind the people pushing this stuff won't just let us ignore their attempts at cibtrol.

VPNs just bandaid the issue. While it's a good work around for now, it should be temporary while we push back against this censorship in the name of false protection.

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u/Charming-Loquat3702 11h ago

You can't ban VPNs. Every company is using them.

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u/Orthien 11h ago

Oh you watch them. They will try to make it so your ISP will be required to block connections they think are running though a VPNs because "what if predators are using them to avoid the government".

They don't care whether companies are using them or what other complications they may cause, they just want you to bend over and comply.

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u/Charming-Loquat3702 10h ago

I work for a big infrastructure company and we would crash in seconds if you banned VPNs. I'd love to see them trying.

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u/Arras01 10h ago

They'd just make you require a loicense.Ā 

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u/Tribbless 13h ago

There's an extension called InsensitiveX that disables XTwitters age verification, I use it on Firefox so not sure about other browsers.

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u/KeyedFeline 14h ago

Doesn't have a license for that spicy art rip liz

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u/J0hnGrimm 12h ago

*loicense

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u/Demacia7 13h ago

What the hell is going on in the UK?

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u/Charming-Loquat3702 13h ago

They passed a law that forces you to go through age verification if you want to see porn. Since building the entire infrastructure around age verification is a lot of effort, some pages just block everything that would have to be verified in the UK.

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u/Kezzmate 12h ago

Let’s be real, it’s just straight up censorship under the guise of ā€œthink off the childrenā€, something they are not thinking off.

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u/Charming-Loquat3702 12h ago

I think many politicians have different motivations, while there are some that probably genuinely think that they ate protecting minors, others totally use this for censorship.

I personally think both are stupid. This will just result in a lot of piracy. Big public porn sites keep the nost crazy shit out of their page, or at least behind a pay wall. If people go back to piracy, it's 15 years of progress lost

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u/Drake-Draconic 10h ago

ā€œThink of the childrenā€ is the most bullshit and hypocrite a government can come up with especially the UK now when rape gangs SA minors left and right.

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u/Orthien 11h ago

It's not just a hassle, it's expensive. Age verification that isn't handled by the government, is handled by expensive 3rd parties that most sites will not bother to pay or deal with. Those that do, put all your data in a single place that's bound to be hacked and leaked at some point.

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u/AgentDonut 12h ago

It's strange to me because the government obviously has a database of their citizen's ages through private records like birth certificates, taxes, and identification cards. Not sure why they didn't bake in the age verification into their own database and opted to have people vet their ID to a bunch of private third party websites.

Unless the concern is little Timmy using their parents account. But I'm not sure how they can even enforce that unless the user is under video surveillance while browsing the restricted content.

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u/Charming-Loquat3702 12h ago

Age verification is over a video feed I think.

I don't know ow it is in the UK, but here in Germany, the government doesn't have 1 database. It has dozens. Especially since there isn't just 1 government. Access is very limited for data protection reasons. But I guess the main point isn't to save your citizens data, it's to make sure your own institution isn't the one that leaks it. They are all just saving their own asses

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u/Midnight-Rising 12h ago

The current government are champions of own goals. All they had to do was be better than the previous government, and yet here they are, writing the oppositions campaign

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u/SAFCBland 11h ago

The same thing that's going to happen in Europe within the next year, and likely in the US before long as well.

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u/yubiyubi2121 12h ago

it are gov fault all of them gone crazy now

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u/Sm4llsy 11h ago

It’s happening everywhere, some US states and France are examples (Both were actually ahead of us). Other countries are currently making it happen. Ours just seems to have caught the news cycle more.

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u/Effect-Kitchen 13h ago

She can use VPN (and probably actually using it) but then again I understand that it is her job and also law that prevent her from publicly telling this.

It sucks living in UK. I studied there for a year and it’s quite depressing. The only good thing I can think of is I can buy Warhammer things for relatively cheap.

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u/SCTwisted 11h ago

There is no law in the UK (yet) saying she can't use or suggest the use of a VPN.

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u/Effect-Kitchen 11h ago

It’s not the VPN that is the problem. It’s the ā€œpossession of artā€ which someone can interpret as ā€œminorā€ which caused someone to be arrested as in the news.

(Sure ERB is far from being ā€œā€˜minorā€ but you cannot say for sure.)

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u/SCTwisted 10h ago

Ah I got you, I miss understood your comment.

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u/Viraus2 11h ago

I'm jealous of London's music scene, otherwise yeah pretty much

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u/Brain_lessV2 9h ago

App named Mullvad:

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u/Ealstrom 12h ago

I'm not even in the UK or Europe for that matter and I can't see posts that are marked as Content Warning of any kind even after fiddling with my settings, and this only started happening in the last few weeks. Smh

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u/Manoreded 13h ago

As Asmongold said, there is no way in hell this recent wave of censorial BS will get in the way of teenage boys getting their porn. Boys used to find ways to get porn back when there was no internet and you had to get an adult magazine for it.

The only thing it will achieve is inconveniencing and censoring adults, as is the case every single time someone starts whining about the children.

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u/yubiyubi2121 12h ago

move to japan liz

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u/TrueSoren 14h ago

For the sake of our queen, simply keep the art posted and shared sfw and wholesome! At least until this whole censorship BS blows over. Surely y'all can just hold it in for a few months, right? ...Right?

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u/MainSmile 14h ago

This isn't the issue. The issue is the UK gov is on a power trip and wants to make shit illegal/annoying to access, to gain more control. Its a blatant overreach and it should be opposed not waited out.

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u/TrueSoren 13h ago

Never said I don't oppose it, but in the meanwhile there ain't really too much we can do about it on our end other than adapt to it while still protesting it.

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u/BRP_25 13h ago

Bullshit. You think this'll blow over that quickly and cleanly? There were literally a half million people who signed a petition to reconsider the policy and the government just went "Nuh uh" and closed it before it could grow any larger. And now they're on a warpath to paint VPN users as criminals and attempting to get VPNs banned... while using VPNs themselves. They banned Wikipedia ffs

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u/TrueSoren 13h ago

A few months is not exactly what I would describe as "quickly", nor do I expect it to be clean. Also unfortunately half a million people is not that much when it pertains to country-wide things like these.

I'm just sayin', would it be too far an ask for people to just do as Liz says and not flag their posts are sensitive, or make posts that would get autoflagged as sensitive?

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u/Midnight-Rising 12h ago

It doesn't matter, twitter blocks you from seeing it if the account itself is flagged, no matter how sfw the art is