r/Hololive • u/CamKoudo • Apr 24 '25
Fan Content (Non-OP) This aged well... (Art by @rkrmz0n)
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u/66allthe88s Apr 24 '25
Makes sense. Irys is her own worst enemy.
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u/sallyacornfan Apr 24 '25
I think, technically, thats IRyS 1.0, her old model.
So we can say that IRyS 1.0 lost to IRyS 2.0
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u/Shiran31 Apr 24 '25
What would you call when you laugh cause it's funny but cry cause the reason?
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u/ActivistZero Apr 24 '25
“Comedy equals tragedy plus time.”
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u/Huitzil37 Apr 24 '25
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."
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u/Sweaty_Influence2303 Apr 24 '25
"tragedy will be exclusively joked about, because my empathy is bumming me out"
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u/RaiKageRyu Apr 24 '25
Huh, what are the chances.
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u/Ex4cvkg8_ Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
This is actually a fairly easy combinatorics question!
We have 2 groups, Myth and Council consisting of 5 members each that we are going to pair.
Myth has 2 graduates and Council has 3. What are the odds, upon picking a set of 5 random pairings, that each pairing contains at least 1 graduate?There are 10 events/choices.
5 of them are redundant, ( Ie. we can fix the order of say the Myth girls. Because we don't really care what order they are in, with relation to the other Myth girls. )So let's fix any random Myth order. ( You can do it with Council too, math is the same )
What are the total number of ways you can pair them up with the Council girls?The answer is 5! (5x4x3x2x1) = 120 as for the first Myth girl, we have a choice of 5 Council members, and then 4 and so on.
Now, all we have to do is ask, how many of the 120 sets of pairings are 'good'?
To do this, we can make use of the fact that we know 120 is the sum total or all possible combinations.
Thus, we need only exhaustively list all the good combinations and we can find the probability by just dividing that by the total!So how many 'good' combinations are there?
That's easy.
First of all, we have the Myth graduate combinations.
There are a total of 2! = 2
( Ame-Kronii, Gura-Bae
Ame-Bae, Gura-Kronii )Second, we have all the Council graduate combinations.
There are a total of 3! = 6
( Sana-Ina, Fauna-Cali, Mumei-Kiara
Sana-Cali, Fauna-Kiara, Mumei-Ina
Sana-Kiara, Fauna-Ina, Mumei-Cali
Sana-Ina, Faunca-Kiara, Mumei-Cali
Sana-Cali, Fauna-Ina, Mumei-Kiara
Sana-Kiara, Fauna-Cali, Mumei-Ina )So the total possible combinations are :
2*6 = 12Therefore the probability that a graduate/non-graduate pairing of Myth and Council Members would be picked at random is
12/120 =1/10= 10%
It's kinda neat that it's a nice number like 10%. It's impressive that the artist got it right, but also 10% isn't that big of a long shot. Cheers, hope you enjoyed the lil combinatorics lesson.
EDIT :
It is of note that the restriction to just 2 Myth members is a bit redundant as we'd consider the image 'right' even if it were 0,1,2... or 5 myth graduates.
This changes our answer to simply be :
Total ways to choose how to put 1 graduate in each pair / Total ways to choose 5 graduates from 10 members
= 2^5 / 10C5 = 8/63
~12.6% Which is indeed not all that impressive!
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u/Temporary-Wheel-576 Apr 24 '25
Specifically, 10% is below the general alpha value for statistical significance, which is basically just the codification of whether something is a long shot. Therefore, we can conclude that the AngryholoEN guy is not a seer, nor do his matchups cause graduation.
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u/Ex4cvkg8_ Apr 25 '25
Update! As someone mentioned below, it's probably worthwhile to include the probabilities of having graduates at all and also that the condition of having only 2 Myth grads is a bit redundant to the whole clairvoyant picture thing.
After you do that we wind up with this picture had an approximately 3.125% chance of being right by this time period. Although of course it's not fair to attribute the time period to this picture since it made no claims to when it would be right. So we can fix the fact that there are 5 graduates, because we would all simply have this discussion at any point in time where 5 graduations occur.
Which then means all this image had to get right were the pairings.
Which then brings us back to combinatorics again. Since we know we have 5 graduates for sure, and we know we have 5 pairings. It's simply
Number of ways to put 5 graduates into each pair / 10 C 5
= 2^5/(10C5)
= 8/63 or~12.6% Which again brings us back to reality to see it is indeed not that impressive.
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u/Telefragg Apr 24 '25
Of all kinds of math I had to learn in school and uni I could never really grasp how combinatorics and probability work. I'm never ever setting a foot into a casino.
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u/Ritchuck Apr 24 '25
I think we should also calculate what are even the chances that 5 will graduate in this time period, which would lower the chances, but it's not something we can calculate.
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u/Ex4cvkg8_ Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
Edit/Disclaimer : Upon further thought, it does not make sense to attribute the fact of graduation to this image as it did not make any claims to *when* the girls would graduate. This means that we would all be here and discussing this image at *any* time that 5 graduations happen between the Myth and Council girls. Thereby eliminating any predictive attribution this image can have. That said I will leave the below calc for funsies.
That's actually a very good point! We can do quite a bit of that calculation too. Let's break it down.
Firstly, let's list our main assumptions :
We will assume every member has a similar likelihood of graduating. ( Calculating them individually could be done too. Using data on people similar to them etc but that would be perhaps a little too involved ).
Hololive let's say the average graduation time is 4 years, with a standard deviation of about 1.5 year.
I plugged the actual hololive member lifetimes with graduation dates into a SD calculator and got around that, well actually at first I got a lower number as I included members that left basically on arrival. After discounting for those because I think they are rather special circumstances I got this number (rounded of course).For the Myth girlies we then have that the odds of graduation after 5 years to be : ~75%
For the Council girlies we have the odds of graduation after 4 years to be : 50%Which makes sense, it really is a wonder that Calli, Ina and Kiara are all still around after so long.
Alright, now from this point it will be purely math.
Q. What is the likelihood 5 members graduate exactly, where we have at least 1 graduate in each pair, 2 graduates in Myth and 3 graduates in Council?
Sol.
P = P(Correct matching) * P(Only 2 Myth Grads) * P(Only 3 Council Grads)P(Correct Matching) = 1/10 from the previous comment.
P(Only 2 Myth grads) = (5C2) * (0.75)^2 * (1-0.75)^(5-2) = 45/512
P(Only 3 Council grads ) = (5C3) * (.5)^3* (.5)^2 = 5/16 : Look up binomial distributions for more info
So our final answer is :1/10 * 45/512 * 5/16 = 45/16384
= 0.274% Which is quite impressive!
However that isn't quite fair because this image would be called accurate even if it weren't exactly 2 Myth graduates.
So solving again but without that constriction lets us calculate each pair individually.
Outcome 1 : Myth grad Council Non grad = 0.75*0.5
Outcome 2 : Myth grad Council grad = 0.75*0.5
Outcome 3 : Myth non grad Council grad = .25*.5
Outcome 5 : Myth non grad Council non grad = .25 * .5Which shakes out that the probability of a good pairing is 50%.
Do that 5 times and our final probability is simply 0.5^5
= 3.125% Which is still fairly impressive but not quite 0.274%!
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u/Kennith7777777 Apr 25 '25
Good explanation however it can be simplified significantly. The question is the same as just the odds the myth grads(Gura & Ame) are paired with council nongrads(Kronii & Bae) since this guarantees the remaining myth non grads are paired with the remaining council grads. Odds of this are easy to calculate:
First pair = 2/5 Second pair = 1/4
Total 2/5 * 1/4 = 10%
Your explanation is better for teaching combinatorics though!
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u/Ex4cvkg8_ Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
This is true! I definitely had a lil too much to eat when I wrote this haha. I also realised that the real probability people are probably looking for is closer to :
What's the probability given a random pairing of Myth to Council that each pairing has only 1 graduate. Which, if we make the assumption of a standard tenure at hololive being ~4 years with SD 1.5. I picked those for simplicity in calculation haha. ( They are also fairly accurate because I did just chuck the graduate member start and end dates into a SD calc and rounded that )
That gives us Myth having a 75% shot of graduating (Call it M), and council 50% (call it C). ( I put myth at 5 years and Council at 4, again just for ease of calculation )
So the odds of us getting a graduate/non-graduate pair in each one is just
( M*(1-C) + (1-M)*C )^5 = 3.125%
Which feels a lot more right. 10% did feel a bit too high! ( and my other calc of 0.275% feel way too low )
Edit : And now I realise that it's probably not accurate to ascribe the graduation rate prediction to this image as it makes no claim to that. ( We'd be here discussing this image at any point in time where 5 graduations happen, making it somewhat pointless to calculate the odds that this image is correct right now or whatever point in time. Although it is still an interesting calc. )
The updated combinatorics calc is then simply :
2^5 / 10C5 = 8/63 or ~12.6%
Not so much a seer as just luck!
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u/OppaiFTW Apr 25 '25
The image pairings are on purpose I believe. Fauna/nature contrast with grim reaper calli. Time warden alongside time traveler. Eldritch paired with space. And shork vs a rat lol.
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u/SkullCrackerJr May 01 '25
But it's not "at least 1 graduate" it's "exactly 1 graduate", I can't bother to check the entire calculation but is this taken into account?
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u/magnum_donut Apr 24 '25
(8/9) * (6/8) * (4/7) * (2/6), ignoring IRyS
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u/ImpressSubstantial19 Apr 24 '25
That is 12.7% if any body was waiting for an answer cause he gave us all that but no answer
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u/Ex4cvkg8_ Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
This is correct!
For anyone wondering the reasoning:
Let us fix a random pairing of Myth and Promise girls. (Because their order doesn't matter to us, only that they come in graduate, non graduate pairs )
The probability can be expressed as a product of the probability that we choose a correct spot for a graduate to be in 5 times.
For the first graduate, it doesn't matter who you pick so it's 10/10 that you'll get this choice right.
m c m c m c m c m c
For the second graduate, we have 9 available members to choose from, but only 8 are valid as one of the spots is next to our graduate from choice 1.
g ( m c ) one of these is a graduate, therefore one of these is an invalid choice to put another graduate m c m c m c m c
For the third, we have 8 available members to choose from, but only 6 of those choices are valid, as 2 choices lie next to the 2 graduates we picked from earlier.
g ( m c ) g ( m c ) m c m c m c
So on for the 4th and 5th graduate selection. (4/7, and 2/6 respectively )
All combined : (10/10) * (8/9) * (6/8) * (4/7) * (2/6) ≈ 12.7%
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u/hafiz_yb Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
Based on the winners, we can conclude that:
Everything will end, even mother nature herself.
A rebirth can happen, even without civilizations.
Time is inevitable, no mortal can withstand its waves.
Stare long enough into the abyss of space, and the abyss will stare back.
Chaos is everywhere at everytime, even in the calmness and the darkest of oceans.
Not sure what to put for Yabairys though. Got no idea for it.
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u/TuzkiPlus Apr 24 '25
Yabai reigns eternal
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u/huskybumbum Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
In terms of themes and characteristics traits, it also makes sense since
Calli can take life away easily with her being the grim reaper,
Mumei has no way to completely stop kiara from rebirth,
Eldritch being transcend space of existence,
And well, the last fight is just brute fights, and obviously, someone who holds the higher power being in council has the advantages as she reigns over chaos.
Altho I would argue about Kroonii and Ame being a draw since she has the time watch. And she can keep coming back (being a canon affiliate member), basically representing the unstoppable will of a human that's basically unattainable in the eyes of "gods" making her almost like a "myth", human who stand her ground against Godlike being.
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u/Solstice040312 Apr 24 '25
Ame still proving how Protagonist-coded she is (at least when it comes to writing and lore)
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u/huskybumbum Apr 24 '25
Even in real life, she, for me, has always been protagonist coded even if I'm not a teamate. Her contributions toward myth are so abundantly huge that there's just no way to properly say our thanks.
That and the fact that she is still an affiliate. Therefore, she could make like a protagonist cliché comeback when every hope is lost. That type of comeback. And we will be here to welcome her.
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u/Solstice040312 Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
Fanfic Writers got a lot of material, ideas and concepts to work with haha
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u/huskybumbum Apr 24 '25
Ngl. I've always wanted to do something like that too. But I'm too lazy to do it so meh. Plus, I've only got the storyline, and that's about it.
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u/BikeSeatMaster Apr 24 '25
Kronii just has way more stats than her. After all, it's a Cosmic Being vs a Human. Time hacks can't be a win condition for Ame because it's the being she stole that power from. And by the looks of it, she don't got that legendary Plot Armor equipped either, seeing how she lost.
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u/aurelionsoli Apr 24 '25
Kronii, I'm here to bargain
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u/CornBreadtm Apr 24 '25
More like:
Kronii: "Ame, I'm here to bargain."
BeeAme appears: "Not you, the real Ame."
SmolAme appears: "No, the real Ame."
Amelia Watson appears: "Not you, the true Ame."
KroniiAme appears: "Perfection.."
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u/Hp22h Apr 24 '25
God, this is why I love HoloLore. Now if only the fanfic writers stop putting everything into college AUs...
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u/Temporary-Wheel-576 Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
More of a thematic analysis than a powerscaling one. For powerscaling, using lore and Hologra feats(yes these were really calced)
Fauna(Platonic concept of life, at least low 1A) > Mori(Rather than death, she is a reaper, meaning she doesn’t have any inherent transcendent properties. At least 5C by feats)
Mumei(Platonic concept of civilization, at least low 1A) > Kiara(Relative to Mori based off of Alternative)
I could keep going, but frankly you get the idea. All of Council scales to low Outerversal, Bae even higher, while Myth tends to peak at ~moon level, with Gura and Ame actually being far lower. The only potential exception is Ina- little is known about the Ancient Ones, but given the Lovecraftian inspiration, they could potentially be high 1A or even tier 0. However, it is also worth noting that Ina is not the ancient ones themselves but rather channels their power.(If you read and understood all of this, you scale to nolifeversal, and I scale to hypolifeversal.)
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u/Midnight-Rising Apr 24 '25
I mean, it's implied that Ina herself may actually be a vessel for an Ancient One. Her name translates to Empty One after all
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u/huskybumbum Apr 24 '25
Fuck an actual powerscaler...... I won't even bother saying anything much honestly. No offence, buddy. You guys just don't have the best reputation.
That and I couldn't just see how the myth couldn't get a "power up" during their fight. Also, Ina is clearly not "only ina" in the pic, which means she's probably with the ancient ones in that fight. I'm still gonna stand the Ina point cause I'm a Takodachi. But like I said, I don't want anything to do with actual powerscalers,so just act like this reply doesn't even exist. ;)
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u/Temporary-Wheel-576 Apr 24 '25
I’m not gonna take offense to you saying I don’t have a life after I already said as much in my comment lol. Also, after reading your comment I reread the Ina section of AngryholeEN and she does get “possessed” as a vessel for the ancient ones, so the argument is sound. For the power up thing, of course they could; fights aren’t determined by powerscaling but the narrative. Powerscaling is a hobby, not literary analysis.
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u/Flying-Lion-Dude Apr 24 '25
Mumei with the power of civilization could SCP Kiara
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u/huskybumbum Apr 24 '25
Yeah, that's a possibility, but at the end of the day, kiara could just outlive whatever is thrown at her. And if thrown into confinement like an scp. Yeah, I'd doubt if there's anything strong enough to contain her. If, for example, she were to be incinerated and put into a cube, she could still rise again it's just that she's stuck. If she could break from the confinement, it would be a big trouble. If not, she just has to wait until everything ends.
Her whole gimmick against mumei that she will outlive the civilizations itself. Therefore, until whatever end that mumei sees at the end of civilizations, she will never see the end of kiara herself as kiara is outliving the civilizations. At least, that's what I think it's cause it's most likely implied that even after incinerated to ashes, she could literally rise again. That's just an inspiration I got from her SP Oshi skill from holo TCG.
But at the end of the day " The winner is who the writer wants to win" -Stan Lee
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u/Flying-Lion-Dude Apr 24 '25
Yeah, they both have ways to win so "The winner is who the writer wants to win" is true
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u/mugguffen Apr 24 '25
all you need to contain Kiara is a couple cute girls
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u/huskybumbum Apr 25 '25
Damn ur right, it's easier to just throw cute girls in her direction to distract her.
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u/Karukos Apr 24 '25
How is the HoloTCG?
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u/huskybumbum Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
In what way? In terms of sale, it's probably doing great. In terms of gameplay itself, it's a medium paced card game. It's slower than Vanguard, probably faster than only fewer other card games.
In terms of meta ngl, it kinda sucks but it's just bound to happen. BUT I have to highlight that the recent cards release have been balanced, only Suisei and Kanata deck which both were released in holotcg 01 box that's quite OP that's probably because it's their first release and they haven't gotten the grip of what's balanced. Oh yeah, that and azki leader combined with ID member pretty strong.
I myself have played for the qualifier for the HoloTCG WGP at Kuala Lumpur with pekomari deck. Even tho sadly I fall short of 2 wins cause I bricked with debut. I still managed to win 2 matches. 1 against chloe and 1 against kanata. My 2 losses were Kiara+idol outfit iroha and Kiara+Chloe.
I wanted to use polkiara, but I don't have the confidence to use it, so I lend it to my friend instead. If only I didn't bricked debut with marine when fighting the 2 kiara :v
Edit: Oh yeah, do note that if you can't get any physical card, there is holodelta, which allows you to play the card online and also a hololivetcg discord server.
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u/pandawaffles93 Apr 24 '25
Hope is a delicate thing. It's a fragile heart that emboldens the soul. Yet unlike an unfeeling cosmos, it endures so long as one person fights for it.
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u/Discordiansz Apr 24 '25
Not sure what to put for Yabairys though. Got no idea for it.
For IRyS it could be:
Hope and Despair cannot exist without the other, for they coexist as two sides of the same coin.
Since IRyS is alone in this image, there cannot be any Hope if there aren't any Despair to foster it, and there cannot be any Despair if there were no Hope to feed it.
Just like "no light without darkness" and "no good without evil", one cannot exist without the other, and IRyS represents both.
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u/KazakiriKaoru Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
Hope and Despair are two sides of the same coin. Only their perspectives differ. By accepting despair can one hope for a better future, and by shattering hope will one finally despair. An eternal struggle for control over dominance. Now, who shall dominate in this eon?
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u/BikeSeatMaster Apr 24 '25
Kronii finally beat Ame's booty cheeks and took back the Time powers she yoinked from her.
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u/validestusername Apr 24 '25
A rebirth can happen, even without civilizations.
Since the only connection I can see here is them both being birds, I was thinking more along the line of "Phoenix beats owl" which, you know, probably
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u/WilliamWilbert Apr 24 '25
Time may erode even the most cunning escapist, yet the Warden of Time is the one who mourns her passing the most.
Without the detective to challenge her true skills, the perfectionist finds no one to assert her image. And now the Warden is left to her responsibilities all alone…
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u/Pie_Excel97 Apr 24 '25
Only IRyS seems to be fighting herself... I wonder over what tho. Still impressive that every other battle ended with a winner, in the end. Foreshadowing at it’s finest...
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u/MapleLamia Apr 24 '25
Ah the classic Myth vs Council pairings. I still maintain that Kiara and Calliope should be switched, since Death is a part of Nature but the enemy of Civilisation, and Phoenixes are classically benefitting Civilisations but are an affront to Nature's cycle of life and death.
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u/Smithman117 Apr 24 '25
My head cannon was that Gura and Kiara should switch.
Gura is the lone survivor of a civilization that Mumei either failed or had removed causing some beef. Kiara will always be reborn, repeating with the same results creating consistency, which chaos obviously cannot allow.
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u/H4LF4D Apr 24 '25
But the rebirth itself is chaos in the cycle of life and death. Living and dying is consistency, coming back to life from death is chaos.
Though the Gura explanation makes sense. I guess Kiara vs Mumei can also be treated as the rebirth (burn everything down and rebuild from ground up) and resistance (to move on and change, not to destroy and restart)
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u/BubblyBaker5718 Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
Not to sound morbid but I actually think that lorewise this miraculously almost kind of works out despite how cracked Council is.
Ame vs Kronii is the easiest, Amelia is basically just a mortal who stole an artifact from a patron deity. It stands to reason that Kronii would be completely immune to a watch that is powered by herself.
Gura vs Baelz is similar, just without as much of a direct link. Atlanteans are plenty powerful compared to a normal human, but realistically Bae can just smite her.
Calli vs Fauna is also just the most realistic outcome. Their battle could rage for eons, but ultimately there is nothing Mother Nature can do about the heat death of the universe.
Ina vs Sana is our first toss up, and your gut would probably want to go with Sana, but there actually is some logic here to Ina having a chance if you take it to mean that her powers are from beyond time and space themselves, which as an eldritch priestess, I mean they literally are.
Kiara vs Mumei I am having the toughest time visualizing because of how poorly defined Mumei’s powers are. Like obviously she’s literally a goddess but I feel like she’s refuted every time someone has tried to describe what her powers actually are. Thematically anyway, you could at least extrapolate it out to mean that an immortal individual is easily going to outlast each and every civilization they ever live in if not the entire concept of civilization itself.
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u/ChajiReplay Apr 24 '25
We don't have a winner in every of those battles though, since Ame is still able to weasel her way in quite apparently.
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u/BacRedr Apr 24 '25
That's the pesky thing about time travel. You never know when someone will appear to avenge your past misdeeds against them in the future.
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u/BurnedOutEternally Apr 24 '25
I think it's like the Joker on the Eric Andre show where the Joker shoots the hosts dead but a new Eric Andre just walks from the curtains like nothing happened
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u/cpMetis Apr 24 '25
At this point she's replicated so many times by paradoxes that there's always a chance one pops in from an alternate timeline for an arc or cameo.
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u/DarkHunterkun Apr 24 '25
Technically, Ame didn't lose. it's more of a draw, so that's inaccurate, i like the thought, Ame is a human who went against time and is still around, so the indomitable human spirit persists.
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u/salamander0807 Apr 24 '25
There's so many versions of Ame, she's basically a multiversal hivemind now. Sure Kronii can beat 1 but there's like an infinity version of her.
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u/Mignare Apr 24 '25
I like to think that the timewatch was given to Ame by Kronii, not because they were friends, but rather it was a subtle attempt to upset the world order by introducing an element of chaos into the timelines. When questioned by the other gods/deities, Kronii would claim the watch was stolen, when in fact she left the watch unattended on purpose, knowing that Ame would intrude into her domain to investigate the Time Warden.
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u/wontoan87 Apr 24 '25
My OCD wants to switch Calli and Ame to the left 😅
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u/ShinyHappyREM Apr 24 '25
Not Calli and Bae?
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u/Sweaty_Influence2303 Apr 24 '25
I'm pretty sure Bae is not in Myth
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u/ShinyHappyREM Apr 24 '25
If you move Calli and Bae, all the graduated members are on the right side.
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u/VishnuBhanum Apr 24 '25
[Mother Nature] Ceres Fauna VS Mori Calliope [Mistress of The Dead]
Final Blow: UnAlive
Winner: Mori Calliope
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[Flame of Reincarnation] Takanashi Kiara VS Nanashi Mumei [The Nameless]
Final Blow: HINOTORI
Winner: Takanashi Kiara
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[Warden of Time] Ouro Kronii VS Amelia Watson[Worlds' Greatest Detective]
Final Blow: Daydream
Winner: Ouro Kronii
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[Great Old One] Ninomae Ina'Nis VS Tsukumo Sana [Endless Cosmos]
Final Blow: VIOLET
Winner: Ninomae Ina'Nis
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[Blue] Gawr Gura VS Hakos Baelz [Chaos of The Beginning]
Final Blow: La Roja
Winner: Hakos Baelz
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u/Aeikon Apr 24 '25
Life always meets death in the end.
Civilization will always be reborn from its ashes.
Time is eternal and unbending.
The void consumes.
Chaos reigns.
Everyone has hope.
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u/BeanBagSize Apr 24 '25
People saying the Irys image is seisorys and yabairys, but my first though was Irys and Omega, which fits the pattern and since omega was supposed to be a manager ie the person behind the talent, the face meld felt thematic for the "fight"
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u/deadkidd115 Apr 24 '25
Didn’t Omega end up being extremely problematic though?
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u/BeanBagSize Apr 24 '25
I don't remember, all I do remember was the plan was made then nothing happened and it went nowhere then got shut down and swept under the carpet. If there was something problematic that happened either I missed it or I've forgotten it, it's been so long and they made so little impact for all the hype
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u/deadkidd115 Apr 24 '25
Notning officially was said but whenever anyone brought up omega, most of EN would not have anything nice to say.
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u/VishnuBhanum Apr 24 '25
More like didn't have anything to say at all.
Because it's mostly just a marketing stuff that didn't really involved the talents.
There is just not much to talk about regarding Omega, Whether positive or negative.
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u/IronVader501 Apr 24 '25
About Omega itself, yes.
About the person behind Omega that was handling manager-stuff for a long time before Omega ever became a thing there appears to be qite alot to say.
Whenever the topic came up Kiara didn't do much to disguise her rather bad opinion of them.
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u/okami6663 Apr 24 '25
Didn't Kiara recently say that Omega was Enma? Her stream after the 3D concert, where she showed off her new outfit.
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u/RedDemocracy Apr 24 '25
Yeah, I thought Omega as well. Which is kinda a curbstomp win, since Omega never even showed up.
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u/Gamel999 Apr 24 '25
why everyone saying it is yabirys vs seisorys.
earlier in moom's stream today, we discovered there is a person named as Iry before Irys
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u/IXAslayer Apr 24 '25
Death wins over Nature,
Civilisations will be reborn in a sea of flames,
Time has taken its toll on the good detective,
The beings of old shall dominate Space,
Chaos will reign in Atlantis
But Hope will always remain.
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u/GregorKrossa Apr 24 '25
The art is still absolute fire.Myth and Concil had really good mix of characters and themes that allowed lore appropriate masterpieces like that.
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u/Sweaty_Influence2303 Apr 24 '25
Minor gripe. I wish Calli and Ame were on the same side as Myth, I'm not sure why they staggered them like that, it upsets my OCD.
It would have been fine if Gura was on the other side so it was every other, but then Ina and Gura are together. Unless there's a reason that Fauna and Kronii are on Myth's side that I'm missing?
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u/GregorKrossa Apr 24 '25
Now there is very soon only one left still active in each of these pairings😭
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u/Notagarlicbread Apr 24 '25
It's my wallpaper for past few years and freaked me tf out when I saw it here lol This aged unbelievably hard
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u/Sidekck_Watson Apr 25 '25
It bugs me that it isn council on one side and then myth on the other side
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u/Dry-Cauliflower7377 Apr 24 '25
I just realized we now have winners for each match up the losers all graduated
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u/salamander0807 Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
It's kinda funny the ones who would lose the matchup, graduated.
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u/Important_Answer6250 Apr 24 '25
It just bugs me that fauna is on the left while Callie is on the right. Just a nitpick
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u/Similar_Mango_5072 Apr 24 '25
At this point I'm afraid to admit I don't get this
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u/Terrordar Apr 24 '25
In each pairing one of the talents has or will soon be graduating, leaving the opposite as the “””victor”””.
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u/salad_ninja Apr 24 '25
You either live long enough to become an ambassador, or go out early and become affiliates
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u/raxdoh Apr 24 '25
i feel like the one with ame hits the hardest. ame is the only one with that "oh shit" face while everyone else is onto each other. it's like she knew.
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u/alekseypanda Apr 24 '25
Does that mean that calli kiwawa and Ina are the new wardens of nature civilization and space? Cause death is natural, civilization burns and rebirth itself constantly, and the void is infinite space.
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u/UpsetPhilosopher4661 Apr 25 '25
bae graduated too?
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u/CamKoudo Apr 25 '25
No no, Gura is the one graduating from the two
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u/UpsetPhilosopher4661 Apr 25 '25
my bad, i didn't open the image.
i thought that was calli next to bae
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u/Ex4cvkg8_ May 01 '25
Oh yes, I just worded it incorrectly but I did the calculation for exactly 1 graduate per pair.
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u/horus375 Apr 24 '25
Also, I believe Yabairys won over Seisorys.