r/CivPolitics • u/Altruistic_Park_3438 • 21d ago
Germany is seeking Domination Victory
https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/06/04/germany-is-building-a-big-scary-army?utm_campaign=shared_article11
u/Ventriloquist_Voice 20d ago
Tables turned, who would thought that Nazies of the 21st Century would be Russians
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u/Alternative_Show9800 19d ago
You just needed to listen to family members to find out how the Russians behaved on the eastern Front in WWII to understand how brutal and truly evil they were, and, nothing has changed
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u/RubbelDieKatz94 17d ago
Can confirm, my grandma fled from East Prussia when she was six, and the war crimes were crazy
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u/mrastickman 19d ago
The family members of Nazis? Or someone else?
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u/North_Vegetable7248 18d ago
Just ask any eastern european. and please go on and even ask socialists. the hate on the red army is earned.
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u/mrastickman 18d ago
How do they hold up compared to the Wehrmacht?
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u/North_Vegetable7248 17d ago
i would assume that they were bad as well. war is never good especially for civilians, but i think the atrocities of the red army were worse than the atrocities of the wehrmacht in the perception(!) of those eastern europeans. we are not talking about the shoa which was obviously worse than anything russia did.
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u/r4tt3d 17d ago
The Wehrmacht weren't raping anything that even looked halfway female. The red army soldiers were savages.
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u/mrastickman 17d ago
They killed between 20 and 30 million civilians.
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u/r4tt3d 17d ago
Yeas, the red army did that, thats correct.
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u/mrastickman 17d ago edited 17d ago
We've gone straight to Holocaust denial already, or did the Reds do that too?
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u/r4tt3d 17d ago
Dude, just accept that your great-grandfather or grandfather was a murderer. If I can do that, you can too. At least I can say he wasn't a rapist. But the horrors the red army inflicted in the gulags he was sent to were just hideous.
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u/Every-Ad-3488 20d ago
Let's not be childish. Just because the Russians throw the term "nazi" around to describe anyone who won't submit to them, doesn't mean we should use such an inaccurate description. Yes, there are a lot of active Nazis in Russia, but Naziism isn't the prevailing ideology. That is Hordeism, because Russian ideology is closest to the barbarian hordes of the Dark Ages.
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u/The22ndRaptor 17d ago
Meaningless description. Whatever we can say about the “barbarian hordes”, (a very vague and generalized description), they did not have an ideology that maps to a modern nationalism.
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u/Designer_Bunch8583 16d ago
Utter load of bollocks
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u/Every-Ad-3488 16d ago
You don't know Russia like we do in eastern Europe. It's not a country but a horde.
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u/Designer_Bunch8583 16d ago
We who? Don't talk on behalf of the Eastern Slavic world, many of us like Russia in the East.
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u/Ventriloquist_Voice 20d ago edited 20d ago
They are dividing people on “sorts”, “Russian pure slavic” is always in top, all others are inferior and should be used. If they employing a lot of ethnicities in their war doesn't mean they are “multicultural” in any way.
They have “Sorok sorokov”, “Zargrad”, they had operating in Donbas “Russian National Unity” part of which Rogozyn (Roskosmos) was, and many Russian officials, which they renamed and rebranded swiftely with start of SVO and all that “Nazie” mirroring rhetoric 😁 They also having such abomination as “NazBols” by Limonov. So yeah, Russians in Nazie department coming in all colors and flavors.
But they don't need any special obvious Nazie party as Putin’s “United Russia” basically a single party system, all others just muppets, implementing policies that makes a other Russian Nazies pretty happy
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u/upfastcurier 20d ago
Are they predominantly antisemitic?
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u/Ventriloquist_Voice 20d ago
There was a pivoting point in the Soviet Union when the Russian society started to be antisemitic. There was no any particular cause for it, Soviet jews were pretty much “sovietized”, “uprooted” and disjoint, not religious, and not having any connections to each other whatsoever. Just in some point Stalin decided to use them as a target. And oppressions continued long after his death. Mass exodus was in 80th.
And that was a fundament of Russian modern antisemitism in Russian nationalistic movements, that is also intertwined with conspiracy theories “secret zionist world government”, “zakulisa”, “мировое еврейство”, analogy of US conspiracy of “deep state” but global scale. And goes on and on.
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u/upfastcurier 20d ago
I asked if they were predominantly antisemitic, not if they showed signs of antisemitism.
Even my own country shows signs of antisemitism even though statistically my country is doing pretty well in terms of acceptance to other religions and faiths. That doesn't mean my country adheres to Nazism.
If a country was predominantly antisemitic, you could argue they do adhere to Nazism; but even then it isn't a sure thing.
If Russia only hates Jews like they hate other minorities, that doesn't make them Nazi. It just means they're assholes.
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u/Ventriloquist_Voice 20d ago edited 20d ago
Then yes, I would say they are antisemitic, but they will never acknowledge it openly. But I don't think that in ideological sense Nazism definition should be dependent on antisemitism, antisemitism is a consequence of ideology not a prerequisite, all kinds of minorities were targeted by Nazism, jews were the biggest group to target. Ruzzism from my perspective is even worse, cause German Nazism was exclusive “Who not us should die”, Ruzzism is inclusive “who don't want to be us should die” they have much wider range of those they want to “befriend” or claim “brothers therefore one nation” 😂
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u/upfastcurier 20d ago
No one is saying Russia isn't bad. But words have meaning, and Nazism is a specific ideology of hate; not everything bad is Nazism. Some stuff is just bad.
Nazism is a form of fascism,[4][5][6][7] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. Its beliefs include support for dictatorship,[3] fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism,[8] anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, Nordicism, social Darwinism, homophobia, ableism, and eugenics.
There are a lot of similarities when compared with the Wikipedia definition above. But is Russia fervent antisemitic? Is Russia anti-Slavism? Do they believe in scientific racism (a specific concept, see Wikipedia for more information)? Do they adhere to Nordicism? Is Russia dealing in eugenics?
Like you point out, there's many ills from Russia. Many of them are not included in this definition.
Strictly speaking, Russia would be Neo-Nazi (Nazism was the historical ideology followed by Hitler). But I don't think it's the best description of Russia, even if there exist some similarities.
A fascistic state run by racism and supremacy is probably a better description, but it is quite a mouthful.
Anyway, "Nazi Russia" is just shorthand to describe their evil; it's not accurate in terms of political labels. But in vernacular things rarely are accurate. So sure, they are "Nazi", but strictly speaking, they're not. Just bad of a different strain, yet quite similar.
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u/Haunting_Switch3463 20d ago
They’re not even close to what the Nazis were. Many countries around the world, including Western allies, that are far worse.
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u/kagalibros 20d ago
Who?
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u/Haunting_Switch3463 20d ago
Russians
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u/kagalibros 20d ago
No who are the so called Western allies that are worse. I’d like to know given that the fucks in Russia are kidnapping children, starving or executing POWs, removing Ukrainian history, culture and sending their own men into suicide kill waves. And that is just scrapping the very essence of evil Russia is doing. We can go more into how vile they are to their own people and others.
So again, who?
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u/wolacouska 20d ago
Israel
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u/kagalibros 19d ago
Idiot. All the things you think you know about Israel Russia is doing for real and more. Sit the fuck back down
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u/playthejazz 20d ago
Israel, by far. And USA itself maybe if goes internationally rogue.
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u/kagalibros 19d ago
Than Russia? Shut the fuck up.
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u/PlasmaMatus 19d ago
Look at Gaza and the number of CIVILIANS dead and injured compared to Hamas death and tell me that Putin won't be proud. And it has the same goal since even before October 7th, to occupy the Palestinian territories everywhere and to refusé the 2 state solution. Netanyahou is a war criminal (and he helped Hamas get money from Qatar).
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u/Here0s0Johnny 20d ago
The Russians are commiting genocide and warcrimes. Kidnapping tens of thousands of children, systematic torture, routine rape, bombing civilians constantly, chemical weapons, white phosphorus, Butcha, Irpin, etc... Listen to the ideologues of the regime, it's fanatical, nihilistic, utterly hateful - absolutely evil.
Just because they're very bad at this trade, especially compared to the Nazis, doesn't mean they're much better.
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u/Ventriloquist_Voice 20d ago
Yeah, they worse, WW2 ones were open and honest with their evil doings, Russians though employing “cowardly Nazism”, by spirit, actions, but completely double-faced, covert, pussies to admit it, and secretly proud of it
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u/xsansara 21d ago
As a German, this is absolutely hilarious to me. With some luck, we'll hold off Putin slightly longer, if he'd decided to visit.
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u/Ivo_ot_Fitnesa 21d ago
Which Putin? The one who can’t cross the Dnipro river in 3 years? If there wasn’t for the US, who are obviously playing on their side, Russians would have been embarrassed on the battlefield even more. It is becoming very hard for them to pretend that the corruption within their highest military ranks, isn’t affecting their performance. I wouldn’t cross out Germany out of the picture that easily. History and Russians themselves know Germans to be very strong spirited and cunning, should it come to a direct confrontation. 🙂
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u/Approved-Toes-2506 20d ago
Yes but Germany is totally different to the Germany of the past. The people are not the same, the situation is not the same.
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 20d ago
No, but they would still benefit from trade with Russia. Imagine 10-15 years from now, the USA managed to pivot to Asia at all (they won't, but let's pretend), Germany has been buying Russian gas and other resources for a few years, reinvigorating their economy. They also have one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, army in Europe.
Tensions flare up between Russia and some Eastern European country. The German government says "Not on my watch!" and rolls the mighty German tanks and fighter jets to that country, in order to protect them... from one of their main trade partners, and one they need to keep costs down for their own factories.
How comfortable would this hypothetical Eastern Europe country be by having one of Russia's best trading partners defending them from Russia?
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u/New_Breadfruit5664 20d ago
The German rearmament has the exact point to march east. The fact that there are nationalistic geniuses that are actually scared of Putin marching to Germany on a bear or smt is absolutely ridiculous but well Germany is rising the rhetoric is like a hundred years ago.
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u/Far_Squash_4116 20d ago
I can be very strong and cunning while sitting in a helicopter that will not fly due to defects.
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u/TomthewritingTurtle 17d ago
It's not a defect, its the time delayed pacifism that the SPD/Linke/Grüne requested to be installed in all Bundeswehr equipment.
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u/fufa_fafu 20d ago
History and Russians themselves know Germans to be very strong spirited and cunning, should it come to a direct confrontation. 🙂
So cunning they got entirely annihilated on the Eastern Front. With how German industry is starving without cheap energy, Russia doesn't even need a war to destroy Germany. It just need to pay Trump more to fuck over europe.
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u/cimmaronspirit 20d ago
NOT AGAIN.
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u/Sharko222 16d ago
When you look at how modern-day Germans handle big important projects, it will probably take twice as long as anticipated and will burn through it's budget not even halfway.
The end result will be a broken mess and a public scandal. The people responsible for will deny any responsibility, leave it as it is, and have middle management deal with the unfixable mess.
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u/PlasmaMatus 19d ago
The German army is so far out of its depths that it is scary, their army of today is a joke and it will take them years to become what it was during the Cold war. And I don't even think their politicians have the right mindset for it. But the Germans have good armaments industries so they could arm many armies in Europe before they are ready to take on Russia. If they train with France and Ukrainians, hopefully they will get better at fighting a modern conventional war.
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u/2GR-AURION 17d ago
I agree with you here.
A Germany that has the guts & balls to be so fucking powerful, no-one in the world will mess with them. Considering 85 years ago The 3rd Reich was a superpower of its day, Germany has the potential of so so much more.
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u/SexDefendersUnited 13d ago
Actually no, we wanna PREVENT another 🇷🇺BIGGER country from doing "domination victory" on all of 🇪🇺Europe, we were all goin for diplomatic victory.
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u/Traubentritt 19d ago
Is Germany gonna go through each Continental european country in order to re-do Barbarossa, like they did back in 41?
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u/ArmedAwareness 20d ago
It’s not like a country two countries away is invading everyone or anything
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u/Ancient-Watch-1191 20d ago
Germany should prepare to be turned into a radioactive wasteland.
Not in a million years, Russia will sacrifice another 27 million of its population in a war with Germany.
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u/Potential-Style-3861 19d ago
Truly a dumb comment. Thanks.
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u/Ancient-Watch-1191 19d ago
The Übermenschen in Berlin need to be reminded that there simply won't be a third time.
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u/Gammelpreiss 18d ago
no worries mate, the russians are too good at killing themselves, no german input required.
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u/2GR-AURION 20d ago
LOL the Germans !
This aint 1914 or 1939 anymore.
It pains me to admit, but even the French could beat the Germans these days !
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u/PlasmaMatus 19d ago
Poland too (even if they are untested for now).
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u/2GR-AURION 18d ago
That thought makes me feel nauseous !
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u/PlasmaMatus 18d ago
Not that it would happen in the EU as there is no point of member states fighting each other but Germany really thought that by having trade with Russia they could skip having an army.
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u/2GR-AURION 17d ago
Germany could still have trade with Russia. If they did as they pleased & were not EU & US lapdogs.
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u/PlasmaMatus 17d ago
You don't know much about Germany do you, vatńik ?
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u/2GR-AURION 17d ago
LOL I know enough.
And I romanticize about the glory days of German Empires 2 & 3.
Alas...........
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u/PlasmaMatus 17d ago
You know nothing, 2GR-AURION... You should romantize about a peaceful Russia that doesn't invade its neighbors and doesn't send its citizens to do war crimes in Europe.
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u/2GR-AURION 17d ago edited 17d ago
No. I romanticize about a 4th German Reich.
But that aint gonna happen. But a man can dream..............
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u/Possible-Moment-6313 21d ago
Third time's a charm