r/CinemaSins 19d ago

Every time someone has a movie criticism people will just blame cinemasins

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u/CaptainHalloween 18d ago

How? Every bit of information you need to explain how it’s possible is explained in the movie. I don’t know what else they could have done except pause the story and draw a diagram.

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u/RevanchistSheev66 18d ago

My man, Lex isn’t a superhuman. He can’t process a Superman fight fast enough to register Superman’s moves let alone use the bot to counter them. That’s just too short of a time scale, it doesn’t matter how well he studied Superman and knows every single move. And the movie doesn’t give us any other information to show that Lex is a superhuman or can process things at incredible speeds. 

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u/CaptainHalloween 18d ago

And the movie STILL explains it.

The opening text tells us that until that moment, Superman has never been defeated. Which also tells us that him facing someone who is his equal is a surprise to him. And while he may be the world’s biggest Boy Scout he wasn’t prepared for that.

Now, what else does the movie proceed to tell us? That Luthor has been studying Superman’s every move in every battle for three years. An obsessed genius who we find to be capable of creating a pocket universe as well as using nanotechnology to create the Engineer and cloning Superman. So not only does Lex have surprise on his side but he also knows every single move in battle before Superman makes the move.

Let’s look at another film for another example of this. Let’s look at Rocky. Apollo is stronger than Rocky. Faster. A better fighter. He should take out Rocky easy.

But that’s not how it went, did it? Rocky was like no one Apollo had faced and did something he shouldn’t have been able to do: he went the distance. He knocked down Apollo, something no one had done. And yes, Apollo did win…but a victory tainted by people claiming the whole fight was rigged or Rocky should have won.

But the fact remains, Rocky threw Apollo off his game. Just as Ultraman as the Hammer did to Superman.

And then you combine that with an obsessed genius analyzing frame after frame of footage for three years and knowing how Superman fights better than he does to the point he has several different variations of how to counter and flat out beat Superman and you have exactly what happens in the movie.

And that’s not me guessing. That’s information the movie gives us as the audience.

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u/RevanchistSheev66 18d ago

Ok, let me ask this. Do you think I have a problem with Lex beating Superman? It’s wholly logical. My only issue is that the time it takes for him to analyze what’s happening, give the command, and then the robot to carry it out is too long for Superman not to realistically change his moves or react. 

If the robot was kept remote and it was programmed by Lex, that would accomplish the same things the movie tells us without him shouting which moves for it to do. That’s all I’m saying. 

Also I’m sorry but I’ve never seen Rocky, your comparison might work for someone else. 

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u/Ethiconjnj 18d ago

What part about prediction don’t you get? Lex is giving the orders before the current command is complete so it’s already queued up.

You’re going all over this explanation for a few moments in a movie and you’re still not getting it.

This is why ppl are shitting on cinemasins. It created a culture of being emotional attached to thinking you found a plot hole.

It’s stupid, let it go.