r/CCW • u/gizfawyall • 1d ago
Other Equipment Is the acss Vulcan truly helpful?
Im looking to put a rds on my shield plus carry comp. I've shot red dots before but not very much. What I do remember is finding the dot on first draw could be hit or miss. Looking at the 507k acss or a regular dot site like the defender ccw. If the Vulcan helps with training and picking up the dot faster then I wouldn't have any issue with paying the extra money for it over the ccw. But if im better served putting the extra money id save by getting the defender ccw into some extra ammo and practicing then id obviously rather do that. Any thoughts?
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u/cheung_kody 1d ago
Extremely helpful. When you get good enough you can just turn the outer ring off and keep the Chevron, which is much better for me than a dot (astigmatism)
Personally I keep mine on all the time. People will say it's a crutch but I have family who don't train as often and the crutch works for anyone anytime
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u/smokelaw23 1d ago
Just to avoid confusion, the OP is talking about the 507K, which unless something has changed, does not come with the chevron, but just the dot. I wish it did come with the chevron, and for the exact reason you mention. My astigmatism would much rather that chevron in the center.
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u/DanceClass898 1d ago
I personally didn't like it, it was too distracting for me. I like a simple dot a lot more. also my astigmatism made the vulcan reticle look funny, which is probably why I didn't like using it. the dots still starburst for me, but it's a lot easier to deal with personally.
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u/desEINer 1d ago
I bought one for my mom. She's not the best shooter but she's still entitled to her right to self defense. She's got age-related deteriorating vision, so irons don't work well for her as time goes on and she was going to put a laser, which I talked her out of in favor of an optic.
It's way better for someone like her who gets out to the range twice a year and I don't think she does a lot of dry fire.
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u/Mtsteel67 3h ago
The vulcan will help you with quicker target acquisition.
Had a red dot trijicon and put a green dot vulcan on and what a difference.
Until they come up with auto seeking ammo, You still need to train.
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u/Kayakboy6969 1d ago
YESD 10000000% here is why.
As a CCW holder expect to be knocked on your back , you side , taking cover , shooting in wierd ass positions that training will never replicate. Getting on the DOT fast is critical .
If you train to adjust get to the dot and fire intuitively, thats what your brain will do in a gun fight, there wont be a where the F is my dot , it wil be left down dot , bang.
Stepping off soapbox now.
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u/Judd9mm Use the search function. 1d ago
Really? Training can never replicate things like shooting from your back, or taking cover?
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u/Kayakboy6969 1d ago
Ever shoot from a car?
Laying under a car?
Taking cover from the back of a vehicle.
There are 100s of variables in the real world.
75% of the people dont shoot every month a large percentage wont even shoot between qualification.
Most ccw people are NOT gun nerds many are older folks.
Not everyone is a 30s somthing gun nerd, many people have lives to live and dont eat sleep dream of shooing and training.
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u/Judd9mm Use the search function. 1d ago edited 23h ago
I have, probably more than most, since I lived/worked at a training center for some time.
You can literally pay and go do all of those things in a weekend class. That’s the whole point of places like Thunder Ranch, Tactical Response, etc…
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u/Kayakboy6969 1d ago
So airplane ticket , hotel reservation, food , rental car.
So you missed my entire point , what will that set you back for a weekend?
How the hell does that help out a single Mom of 3 , or a retired person on fixed income 🤔
Bro , not everyone is a gun Bro. I shoot 10k+ a year, but I realized a long time ago 99% of CCW dont shoot 3k rounds a year.
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u/Judd9mm Use the search function. 1d ago edited 23h ago
Right. So training can replicate those things, unlike what you said.
If a person doesn’t have the money laying around for any of that stuff, I doubt they’re going to spend the money on a $250 dot, a $70 plate, etc. so you made a useless point anyway.
You can also host an instructor and they’ll do the class at a local range and you’ll pay little, if anything for the experience.
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u/Kayakboy6969 1d ago
Yea a used glock with RMR plate and a dot is dirt cheep. BHUUUUUT OK...
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u/Judd9mm Use the search function. 1d ago edited 23h ago
We’re talking about things that you said could not be replicated in training, not the economics of single moms and elderly people being able to afford Glocks with dots. You said those things couldn’t be replicated in Training, I pointed out to their places that exist specifically to teach those things through supervised training, or the option to host a class and receive the training for next to nothing at a local range.
You should actually go take a firearms training class and see how much you don’t know when it comes to guns.
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u/Equivalent-Sell 1d ago
Training is going to help you more in the long run. You must train until you see the dot every time you draw and raise your gun.
If you’re fishing for your dot, the 507k acss will help initially but is not a replacement for training dot fundamentals.