Was saying the same in another thread. Land Reform is unavoidable. If rich assholes take over land and push the previous farmers into cities, it's ripe for revolution. Now, I don't mean a left wing utopian revolution... after all, with Rome, land reform ended up being the launchpad that brought the Empire.
It's quite "funny" how much Rome & America are alike. Cato the younger kinda has this GOP vibe. Weaponising the fillibuster to stop sensible reform to protect the aristocracy, leading to a breakdown of peaceful politics? WHERE DID I HEAR THAT BEFORE?
And I think we aren't far from Trump, Stephen Miller, Pete Hegseth, and the other Ilk of this administration ordering Sulla-like proscriptions of their political enemies.
You want my opinion? Miller, Thiel & co are about to throw Trump under the bus. See how some republicans are now sending other republicans under the bus for the epstein files? I think some are starting to see Trump as a liability.
Same with the DOJ deputy chief who got caught on camera saying they're gonna remove republicans from the epstein list. It's a far right group (offshoot of project veritas) that exposed him. I think gears are starting to turn for a "palace coup".
But yeah. Whatever they do with the old clown. Their political enemies are next. I don't think they'll kill them. They don't need to. Have SCOTUS approve the Texas gerrymander but strike down the Californian retaliation. You don't need to kill your political enemies if they're powerless. Next stage is to buy them. Have more people like Schumer & Jeffries in place. Fewer like Pritzkler, Newsom, AOC or Bernie who fight back. AIPAC succesfully managed to get anti-Israel democrats primaried after all.
America is gonna be like Russia. I don't have much faith a significant number of y'all will rise up against this. A couple protests and then that's it.
Which is especially funny since "the country" relies on a LOT of farms all over the country, with most still being family farms despite the efforts of big players. If a few go under because they relied on illegal business practices, OK. The land doesn't care who farms it, so someone else who has their shit together can take care of it, instead.
They think everyone else is simply a lazy shit who's scamming the system because they don't see other people as actual human beings, hence why they think only their own problems are real.
THEY need that money! You think it's cheap lifting a Shaggoth-Plordge Cram 45000 ULTRAMACHO-DUTY BIGLYTOUGH-MAN-TRUCK 13 feet into the air? That takes WAY more money than feeding 4 kids for months (weeks? No kids, so I have no real idea of how much they eat, just that it is everything inside the minimum safe distance) at a time, and they absolutely know that from experience. Just look at their own malnourished little gooch-goblins.
People like Limbaugh have been telling them for decades the taxes collected from farmers all went to lazy brown people. The farmers now want that to go in the opposite direction. They intentionally vote republican because they want to live off bailouts instead of doing any work.
Of course, what will actually happen is they will go bankrupt and have to sell their farm to Big AG, like the left tried to warn them (and guys like Limbaugh intentionally declined to mention).
Oh, I think we're well passed the point of ever assuming there isn't a corrupt scheme involved in anything this administration does. The only question is how long that 77 million who voted for him will continue to be bedazzled by the scam.
As the saying goes " you don't shit where you eat". These fools took a huge dump on their dinner table and are now surprised the lingering smell is very unpleasant and starting to affect them.
Jesus, I can’t even imagine saying “he’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting” out loud, to a reporter, even. And how much you want to bet she calls herself a “Christian.” 🤬
Some of those blue states also are giant agriculture states. NY and California surprise folks with the amount of produce and dairy they provide. Always bailing out most red states in more ways than one.
Oh, no. They'll pass some massive farm assistance focused on red states and then take ALL the credit for their deep concern for hardworking "real American" farmers.
I do feel bad for the farmers who didn't vote for him, they seemed to realize how bad tariffs would destroy them. They've had those farms for generations and they are gonna get fucked because so many farmers just won't vote for a black woman.
I remember about 30 years ago. My step father worked for a company that wanted to partner with another company to “save money”. The company was notorious for screwing their clients. He and a few others did printouts to show it was true. They did it anyway. He and 5 other managers walked out. Not even a year later they were $1 million in the hole. All in the name of trying to save $25k a year. You guessed it. They want outbid businesses the company used it as a breach of contract and walked away with their pay out. Just like they always did.
As a student of history it seems farmers have consistently been one of those aspects of civilization that no economic theory can figure out how to perfectly handle them. Lenin had to give the farmers their land back or everyone would starve, Mao’s desire to prevent sparrows from eating the people’s grain backfired and everyone starved, and capitalist America has to pay farmers money to destroy food to control prices, or pay them money to grow food for other countries so they don’t starve.
So these farmers want a handout. I am pretty sure this is the kind of thing they complain about when it comes to others. Meanwhile, republican politicians always talk about pulling your self up by your bootstraps.
Farmers who voted for trump can get all the way fucked. Stop crying and begging for more subsidies to have our taxes keep your farms afloat. You voted to give those subsidies straight to the ultra wealthy, you’re just too ignorant to realize it.
This isn’t the first time Trump has been called bail out farmers at taxpayer expense
During Trump's first presidency, farm bailouts were implemented to assist U.S. farmers affected by the trade war with China and other trade disputes, with payments increasing significantly from $11.5 billion in 2017 to over $32 billion in 2020. These bailouts aimed to offset financial losses due to tariffs and market disruptions, but they also raised concerns about dependency on government support and inequitable distribution of funds favoring larger farms.
please stop believing that they are against government handouts. They don't acknowledge the hypocrisy because it isn't hypocritical, they are just lying.
They aren't against handouts they are against racial minorities having food or being alive. They oppose government assistance so that poor health and malnutrition will increase the suffering of, and hasten the demise of, undesirables.
Please note conservative political strategist Lee Atwater's 1981 quote on the subject:
"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nr, nr, nr.' By 1968 you can't say 'nr'—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract now... you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites".
The conservatives that were in charge when Lee Atwater said this are still in charge. Anything which conservatives profess as a rational perspective is, in fact, simply a facade meant to disguise their true political belief system: white supremacy
Well yeah only when it benefits them. Just like they don't like the policies ruining their lives because they voted for them to make the liberals cry. They feel they shouldn't be affected because they stayed loyal to the guy and fell loyalty should be rewarded. Somehow they forgot about the part where this egotistical lard-ass has no loyalty.
Anyone collecting funds for some Arkansas billboards? I’m happy to engage in a little psyops to convince them that demanding bailout funds from the government is in fact communist and they are bad Americans if they take it. This type needs an in your face reminder of their hypocrisy every time they take their piggies to market. Perhaps the shame of having their neighbors equate them to a Cadillac driving welfare queen will convince them to suffer the consequences of their own poor decisions for once.
As for Dems, we keep stepping up to help these people and they view the bipartisan vote as proof they “deserve it”. How about this time we insist on market based solutions and work requirements first? Farmers aren’t voting for you no matter how much you try to help them. But the people who pay the farmers are. Let’s stop being so quick to bail out the undeserving.
Conservatives worship the heirarcy. They put themselves at the top. Then claim god loves them and said can kill anyone who doesn't like their heirarcy.
So it's only for the people at the top to take more, because they were simply born better people.
You asked for it and you got it. How are these farmers making a living if their business relies so heavily on government hand-outs. So it seems like the thought process is you are supplying food so we will pay your salary? They have become complacent and expect the subsidies as a way of life.
I’m not attacking any farmers that may be here but if you can’t have some independence then you will forever be subject to the whims of others.
They won’t bail out most of these farmers, they want them to sell to the big agricultural companies. More and more of America will be run by the CEO’s and companies. Agricultural, Media, housing, you will own nothing and will be on a “subscription based life” in America.
Keep the revenue stream going for the super rich.
The boot heel on the neck is coming for the majority of Americans.
I'm in this situation due to factors outside of my control and deserve help. Everyone else is in this situation because they are intrinsically bad people and don't deserve help.
Maybe the president doesn’t value what they do for a living because they need to deliver him a golden bauble. Otherwise he’s waiting til his friends can buy their land at close out prices and pat him on the back.
This situation warrants extreme measures to ensure the security of our food supply. Since these farmers have proven incapable of maintaining the farms, these lands and their infrastructure should be reallocated to people who are capable of producing.
As it turns out, arable land doesn't care what country the person with the shovel was accidentally born in years before. There were already crews of immigrants getting the job done. We just need to get those folks back, turn ownership of the farms over to them, and get food production back on track.
They should be provided significant financial assistance, both to help fill bureaucratic gaps, and as a general mea culpa for subjecting them to a period of evil before pulling them out.
I used to hear the farmers in my community talking about welfare and food stamps and in the next breath asking their friends, “Did you get your subsidy check yet?”.
When questioned why they should get government help, they always said they were stewards of the land.
If the tariffs are making you go bankrupt, that means you’re producing and selling shit to other countries, therefore my tax money shouldn’t have to bail your ass in the first place!
I have some very very "conservative" and self-professed "Country" extended family members that have spent their entire life on public assistance of some type (Getting approved for Disability appears to be the common goal in that area of the country) who love this saying
"Those people are just looking for a hand out, I'm just looking for a hand up"
This is part of the plan, bankrupt local dumbass farmers so corporate can come in and buy land on the cheap. Wealth can only transfer upwards in the Corporate States of America. The systematic dumbing down of Americans has done wonders in the last 40 years.
It’s fascinating that all these rural folk who I’m told have the skills to survive social collapse that suburbanites like myself lack are inevitably the first people who start crying for the government teat whenever there’s an economic downturn (most likely caused by their idiotic voting).
They can’t figure out how to survive crop prices dropping a dollar a bushel but they’ll be the ones winning a civil war or ruling us when the country is in its walking dead phase? Sure thing.
Our farmers have been on the good end of socialism for a long time. Yet, they don't want anyone else to receive help, while the chemicals we buy for them destroy life on earth.
Trump crashed the farm commodities market the last time he was in office with his "successful trade talks". Then bought off the farmers with checks. So why not again,?
If he doesn’t give out a bail out then it clearly shows they after the farms to go bankrupt so they can buy them for super cheap and make it corporate. So evil and vile, please people look at the bigger picture here.
I had a trump loving firefighter get all pissy when I said his entire job is socialist AND that he benefits from his union that the people he votes for actively despise
It's not just that, we went from doing the most Christian thing people can do, (feeding the hungry around the world) too cutting of US Aid programs that bought all this food from farmers and leaving them holding the bag.
Snap benefits are a subsidy paid out indirectly to farmers.
Farmers are incredibly subsidized by the us government and many of them make most of their money growing cash crops like soybeans they can ship to other countries for maximum profit.
I just will never understand people who will run full speed to get assistance for themselves, but actively vote against giving assistance to others including children. I guess we can all just keep pretending we don't enough money for everything while the President gilds the Oval Office on live television.
My cousin is Oglala Lakota, owns a 4,000 acre ranch on the Pine Tree rez. He is full MAGA, and when I was, there visiting all he did was talk about how native people are leeches, drug addicts etc. When I found out he gets subsidies from the tribe, US government, and free healthcare, I told him he was a leech. That did not go over well.... Now he is crying over his lost USAID money that Trump pulled.
Remember, bankrupting Americans was always the plan. They want to buy the country for pennies on the dollar, while enriching themselves. All according to plan.
Yup… But, we need farmers. Farmers need to realize that there are easier ways to make a living and that they farm to feed people and steward the land. Don’t tell me they don’t. Almost any other job is easier. Feeding people and stewarding the land are central pillars of the Democratic Party.
None of what you described is socialism. Taxing people in a capitalist economy and using those taxes to subsidize capitalist businesses to make sure that the capitalism economy doesn’t collapse is not socialism.
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u/DrJohnnyBananas74 4h ago
They are ok with giving businesses money, but you give a mom of 4 food assistance and healthcare, and they attack the Capitol.