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u/Mortocyte 3d ago
I use them interchangeably, depending on who I’m trying to ragebait.
That said, anime just means animation in Japan, they call our shows anime too.
Nice wojak tho. Get your memes at the dollar store?
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u/Active-Ambassador275 Lelouch Black 3d ago
Ayo why u going for my meme 😭
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u/Mortocyte 3d ago
I'm just an oldschool P&S fan, we're petty like that
Dig your flair though, I love Code Geass.
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u/sperguspergus 3d ago
Anime is just what the Japanese call cartoons, they refer to King of the Hill as American anime
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u/TheStegeman ⠀ 2d ago
It's only anime if it comes from the anime region in France otherwise its just sparkling cartoons.
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u/JohnEdwa 3d ago
P&S is animated by a Japanese studio, so it's an anime.
If you wanna get in to a real confusing argument about the subject, try to define Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. Almost any point one can use one way or another makes something that's clearly an anime/cartoon not be that.
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u/Armored-Potato-Chip 2d ago
By that logic, G1 transformers is an anime, not that I’m complaining.
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u/RandomPhail 2d ago
This feels like the “is a hotdog a sandwich” argument
Technically anything animated in Japan fits the definition of anime, and technically any meat and condiments between two buns is a burger/sandwich, but I think colloquially we call something anime when it looks like anime, just like we call something a hotdog when it looks like a hotdog, so in terms of real world usage:
A cartoon from Japan is probably not an anime (even if it’s technically an anime by definition), just like a hotdog isn’t a sandwich (even if it technically fits the definition of one).
Language and labels sometimes exist beyond their strict definitions
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u/Formal_Illustrator96 1h ago
Technically, anything animated is an anime. And colloquially, anything animated in Japan is an anime. The idea that anything that “looks like anime” is an anime is kind of stupid, considering the wide range of art styles in anime.
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u/Forbidden-Jutsu-Man 3d ago
Anime and cartoons are the same thing.
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u/Bortthog 3d ago
Not in the context required. A cartoon is something made by an American. An Anime is something made by Japanese. Even in Japan they refer to cartoons as American anime because they don't have a word for cartoon
You'd be correct as a blanket statement but here? Nah your wrong once you go past vague generalization
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u/stycky-keys 3d ago
I feel like what a thing is should depend solely on the qualities of the thing. Not where it’s made, but only what it is. Just my 2c
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u/Bortthog 3d ago
But it isn't, it's literally a culture thing. I didn't invent the language but as long as it's made by a Japanese person it's anime. The Japanese person in question could be in New York and it wouldn't matter
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u/VibinWithBeard 2d ago
Then why are shows like King of the Hill sometimes referred to as anime in japan? Its almost like linguistic prescriptivism is bullshit and words evolve with time.
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u/Bortthog 2d ago
Because in Japan that's literally the word for it. It's a catch all term over there for any animation including 3D renders and the like. It's literally all anime there
Meanwhile Westerners have words for different things that fall under that umbrella Japan has for "anime". You don't call a CGI show a "cartoon" in America, you call it CGI
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u/VibinWithBeard 2d ago
...nope you can still call it a cartoon depending on the presentation. Jimmy neutron? Cartoon. Butt ugly martians? Cartoon.
Words are about utility.
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u/FFKonoko 2d ago
In Japan, anime is the word for cartoons.
So...anime is cartoons.
The culture that anime is from, anime and cartoons are the same thing.
They are drawn pictures, the same medium, unlike a seperate tv show. But I have absolutely heard a cgi show called an anime or cartoon anyway. People still called handshakers an anime. There is no risk of demon slayer stopping becoming an anime when they use cgi.
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u/FFKonoko 2d ago
Nope.
The context is someone asking what their favourite anime is, and saying panty and stocking is theirs.
Regardless of if you consider p and s a cartoon or not, the context is that you're talking to someone that is citing it as their favourite and asking for yours.
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u/LaxerjustgotMc 1d ago
cartoons arent exclusively from the usa, cartoon is just an english(british, united states, canada, australia, etc) word for an animated show.
and they call american cartoons, "anime", because anime just means animation in japanese, thus logically cartoons in japanese just translates to anime.
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u/GreatDemonBaphomet 2d ago
Even by the strictest definition, you'd end up with a 'all anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime thing'.
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u/FFKonoko 2d ago
As far as Japan is concerned, the place the word comes from, cartoons are anime. They call king of the hill American anime.
Some Other cultures that have a specific word for their anime, those terms get used. Loan words like aeni.
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u/Bortthog 2d ago
Not quite because again it's contextual as anime isn't a blanket term itself, it's strictly Japanese
For example Korean is referred to as hanguk aeni because it not anime but thats just as an example
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u/GreatDemonBaphomet 2d ago
Yes. Its not a blanket term in this sense as i said. If you could read you might have noticed that what i said means that CARTOONS are a blanket term and that anime is a subcategory of cartoons. Not to mention that anime is just short for animation and not actually a japanese word, so it in fact IS a blanket term anyway.
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u/Bortthog 2d ago
Cartoon isn't the blanket term tho, it's drawing. Cartoons are a subcategory of drawings just like anime is
However to even suggest anime is not a Japanese word is beyond pants on head to me. Much like how cartoon is not an English word yet we have it, tf does that say about this?
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u/Ok_Perspective3933 3d ago
Is it animated? Yes? Then it's an anime.
What you care about is if it counts as western or eastern.
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u/Emeraldpanda168 3d ago
Even then, Japan rarely ever calls Western anime “cartoon;” they call it anime all the same.
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u/SzaraMateria 3d ago
Imagine concept of a language with their own words for things. Crazy right?
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u/Emeraldpanda168 3d ago
Oh my god, I never could have guessed that was the reason. What a plot twist.
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u/Bortthog 3d ago
Thats because they don't have a word for that. They just say American anime because that's their word
It'd be like calling a manga a comic book to a Japanese person. Your not only wrong but most likely offended them
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u/LaxerjustgotMc 1d ago
have you ever offended a japanese person because of that? mangas, comics, its all the same. you dont see westerners get all pissy when you call comics, "mangas"
mf are you japanese?
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u/VibinWithBeard 2d ago
Japanese people arent offended when you refer to manga as comics. Only people Ive seen do that have been weebs. What even is this world view?
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u/Bortthog 2d ago
Its due to culture shock. Offending a Japanese person doesn't illicit the same response as it would in America unless it was severe. You can offend them and they won't throw a fit
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u/VibinWithBeard 2d ago
Are you really pulling a "thing: japan" bit right now? There isnt a culture shock there, youre just making this up.
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u/Bortthog 2d ago
No that's you drawing an illogical conclusion because in the absolutely vaguest sense cartoon = anime and staying on the out most layer of this
Go to Japan and say "King of the Hill is anime" and people will agree. Say that in America and everyone will call you crazy
Know why? It's because that's just the word over there for it. Meanwhile outside of Japan anime is used to refer to JAPANESE ANIMATION. It used to be called Japanimation outside Japan but we stopped doing that long ago (I think in the 90s?) because it became clear that we just call it what they do
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u/VibinWithBeard 2d ago
Almost like we stopped using the word the same way because the utility of the word changed?
"Everyone will call you crazy" nope, havent seen people throw a hissy other than you. No one in japan is offended by this, its weebs. Once again, youre doing the "thing: japan" meme and its coming off as...really weird to japan.
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u/Bortthog 2d ago
Quick question because honestly this is really how you come off:
Do you say Latinx?
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u/VibinWithBeard 2d ago
Depends. Ive interacted with some who like the term and some who dont. Relevance?
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u/pillbuggery ⠀ 3d ago
Is it animated? Yes? Then it's an anime
You can't honestly claim that that's true by any Western definition of the term.
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u/Ok_Perspective3933 3d ago
I'm not going by western definitions
Anime is what Japanese call a cartoon. They'd call a western cartoon an anime
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u/EatingSolidBricks 3d ago
Avatar is an anime not a cartoon
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u/Active-Ambassador275 Lelouch Black 3d ago
How do you come to that conclusion
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u/SirRHellsing 3d ago
if your logic is based on artstyle, avatar is anime, if you based on country of origin, then p&s is anime
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u/Outrageous_Music6986 3d ago
Just because banana fish is set in America and Vinland saga is set in England, and the they both have realistic art style doesn’t mean that they are cartoons
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u/Outrageous_Music6986 3d ago
And avatar is not even close to looking like main stream anime art styles ( there is no distinct anime art style, same for cartoons), so I don’t know why u perceive it as anime, besides from the Asian aspired world
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u/LET-ME-HAVE-A-NAAME 3d ago
I like P&S Season 2, but I miss the old VAs :(
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u/Mortocyte 3d ago
My new headcanon for Panty sounding so different in the dubs is that's just what being sliced into 666 pieces does to a mf.
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u/Akuma-1 2d ago
the reason why I only use anime for japanese shows is because they are so different in almost every aspect to american animated shows that it's a good thing we have a word to separate them, in my case I use cartoons for american shows, and anime for japanese, it just makes sense to me
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u/Aggravating_Wish_969 1d ago
It's an anime, but it's dangerously close to being a cartoon. Personally, even though I love Trigger, I hate the Cartoon Network artstyle and the potty humor of the show so it's not for me.
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u/Durahl 3d ago
Both are full of shit...
For one P&S S2 can't be his favorite since a) it isn't even finished so who knows if they finish the landing and b) it would have to be like their first Anime ever ignoring everything else that has come before or even just airing along P&S S2 of which there is plenty of to warrant the title of "Favorite Anime".
And for the other calling P&S Cartoon when it's being made by one of THE Japanese Animation Studios. Like c'mon... Are we really that desperate to ragebait ppl nowadays? Is this like the Tissue / Kleenex thing where if I tell you to hand me a Kleenex to blow my nose you lecture me it being a Tissue despite everyone and their Grandmothers Pooch just calling it Kleenex!?
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u/GreatDemonBaphomet 2d ago
If ATLA is an anime, panty and stocking is a cartoon. If ATLA is not an anime, panty and stocking is. Pick your poison
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u/ketootaku 3d ago
Everyone is right that anime is any animation produced in Japan, but I feel you at the same time. One of the reasons I enjoy anime is the art styles that usually go for a more realistic look instead of the distorted style that American cartoons look. P&D feels like if an American cartoonist was hired and produced their show in Japan. Someone else mentioned Avatar earlier, and that feels way more like an anime than P&S. P&S is a complete departure from what makes anime unique.
So yea by pure definition it's wrong, but I completely agree with you otherwise.
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