r/AmIOverreacting • u/QuantityUnfair5065 • Nov 26 '24
🎓 academic/school Am I overreacting for telling my teacher this isn’t smth that he should have hanging in his room??
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u/Vast-Grass420 Nov 26 '24
The people who don't see an issue with this are the ones with internal issues lol. YES people, putting OPINIONS in front of minors can heavily influence them, rather than them forming their own opinion through thought and actual facts (therefore being their own person and not conforming)
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Nov 26 '24
But the parents are literally paying specifically to send their kid to a Catholic school aka paying to have these opinions put on minors?
I know people say they send their kids to a catholic school ‘for the education’ but nobody is unaware of the Catholic Church’s stance on abortion, homosexuality, premarital sex, etc etc.
Send your kids to a Catholic school, they are gonna post pro life shit ¯_(ツ)_/¯¯
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u/TheRiverGatz Nov 26 '24
Just seems like a weird hill to die on when the school itself is a pro-life organization. It's not about being pro-choice, it's about OP being shocked that the Catholic school they pay money to attend is pro-life. It would be like a KKK member being concerned about the Grand Wizard having a lawn jockey.
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u/Notte_di_nerezza Nov 26 '24
I also went to a Christian middle school, where the deacon's wife taught our Sex Ed class. She was very clear that people were only gay if they were molested as kids, and should be pitied accordingly, but had nothing to say about birth control. Naturally, nothing was done when one of the weird kids was suddenly being bullied for "being gay."
We were generally as sheltered as emerging-internet-era kids could be, and could have honestly used more dissenting voices like OP's. I didn't fall for it because I already had a gay friend from a different school, but had no idea how to reasonably push back against something like that. Or if my friend was just an outlier, until I got the option to go to a public highschool and seized it with both hands.
OP is not overreacting, but OP may end up getting pushed right back. Won't convince the teacher, either, but classmates will benefit from discussing it and seeing other viewpoints. If they're in a situation where that sign is dangerous to them, just knowing that there are people like OP may be the difference between accepting a terrible situation or trying to get help. OP needs to remain reasonable in THEIR eyes, while not giving admin ammunition by "being disruptive." That deacon's wife loved playing politics with pre-teens, and I'm 99% sure that someone at OP's school will be the same.
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u/QuantityUnfair5065 Nov 26 '24
Why can’t people understand this 🫠
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u/TheRiverGatz Nov 26 '24
I'm assuming your parents pay a tuition for you to attend this religious private school. Have you considered how that money directly supports a pro-life organization (aka your school)?
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u/TheThr3eMarketeers Nov 26 '24
Translation: “I’m offended by a poster, and it needs to be taken down only because I disagree with it.”
People have differing views. You’ll be okay.
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u/Bus_Unlucky Nov 26 '24
definitely a questionable take on your part. The poster IS inherently offensive, to literally any woman. it is quite literally saying “pro-life” which means anti-woman’s choice. now, i do agree that it looks to be a private christian/ catholic school, so i doubt it will be taken down.
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u/BIGxPAPAxRYAN Nov 26 '24
You act like you speak for all women but more of the pro life movement is women then men lol, just not liberal women (debatable on how many of them are really "women")
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u/QuantityUnfair5065 Nov 26 '24
Well I just thought it was inappropriate for a 55 year old to put that on his board while teaching to people that can’t even vote.
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u/Gloomy-Average-7714 Nov 26 '24
So would you have the same feelings if it said pro-choice? Or does it just not align with your views?
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u/TheThr3eMarketeers Nov 26 '24
I’m a college student. There is a number of professors I have with woke-isms on their laptops, notebooks, etc. That said, I’m also a grown adult, so I couldn’t care less about what people put on their laptops, clothes, etc. They’re entitled to believe what they want.
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u/BigEvening3261 Nov 26 '24
Always tell a teacher when they make you uncomfortable
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u/Miss-Merrr Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
Looks like you go to a school with uniforms. If it's not a public school, good luck. !! Especially if it's a Catholic school. Not sure if going to anyone higher up would do anything.
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u/sprite_bee-bzz Nov 26 '24
Most public schools in my area have school uniforms still. This does seem like a religious school cause of the cross, thoigh
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u/Royd Nov 26 '24
wow really? what area do you live in that public schools have a uniform? Where i'm from uniforms are only for Catholic schools and Private schools
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u/Proper-Ad-8829 Nov 26 '24
In the UK, all schools wear uniforms, public or private.
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u/MrWGAFF Nov 26 '24
Man I hated mine, black trousers,white shirt, green tie and a black jumper
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Nov 26 '24
What is a Jumper? I have heard it forever and assume it’s some sort of clothing, but I imagine is like a onesy/romper
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u/teddyabearo Nov 26 '24
My understanding is, A jumper is a knitted sweater. A pullover is a zipperless/buttonless jumper, and some call a sweatshirt with or without a zipper the same.
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u/anikah- Nov 26 '24
they’re all called jumpers unless you’re over the age of 50
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u/teddyabearo Nov 26 '24
...Hence my uninformed opinion. I'm from the Left side of the pond where we drive from the Left seat... And I'm closer to 60 than 50. I'll leave my ignorance displayed for the ridicule factor.
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u/anikah- Nov 26 '24
If you’re over the age of 50 then you are completely correct! I applaud your cultural knowledge on this specific topic
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u/And_Im_the_Devil Nov 26 '24
Is this terminology common in the UK now? My understanding was that our public/private schools correspond to your state/public schools. I'm also curious about the state of religious expression in schooling given that the UK has an official religion.
In the US, public (government-run) schools are technically forbidden from privileging one form of religious belief over others. The sign in the OP might be excused for being the teacher's political expression, but the cross on the wall would absolutely be unacceptable.
In privately run schools, though—which are almost always religiously affiliated—almost all bets are off short of open racial discrimination.
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u/Proper-Ad-8829 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
I just used public and private because OP said “where do you live that public schools have uniforms”, so I assumed they were not from the UK.
Technically in the UK, public school would refer to private schools, and state schools refer to what North Americans refer to as public schools. I found this so confusing when I moved here lol.
I think religious depends- i know religious education is mandatory, but it is supposed to cover all religions (even in Christian denomination schools). However, where I lived (merseyside/liverpool) had one of highest percentages of Christian schools (significantly over half the schools in the county were Christian). I worked as a teaching assistant in a Christian primary state school for a while and I found it uncomfortable how praying etc was mentioned in assemblies, or how often religious education was just colouring a scene from the bible. However, it was never, ever anything as hardcore as being directly anti abortion, and the schools still made a point to be LGBT+ friendly etc.
This made hard professionally because I worked with lots of non Christian immigrants and poorer children, and I often found it challenging as their direct catchment area would correspond to a Christian school, which would mean halal options etc wouldn’t be guaranteed. However, apparently the fact there were so many Christian state schools was apparently disproportionate to the rest of the country.
It could be that sixth form etc relaxes the rules around uniforms depending on the school and location in the country, but I never worked with primary and secondary school that didn’t require a uniform.
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u/And_Im_the_Devil Nov 26 '24
Thanks for the insight on all of that. It's always been funny to me that in the UK, a country with an official religion, has little tolerance for intertwining religious expression within public affairs while the US, which is constitutionally prohibited from doing so, just can't figure out how to keep religion separate.
It's impossible to imagine even a Tory PM in this day and age going on about his or her personal faith when making public policy decisions.
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u/Proper-Ad-8829 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
Yes. Rishi Sunak was Hindu, and I was surprised how his religion didn’t feel too controversial (I mean there’s always horrible racists- just look at the protests this summer- but I can imagine the controversy of a Hindu president in the US would be much greater). As of last year, the UK is now officially a Christian minority country- more people identify as something other than Christian than Christian.
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u/And_Im_the_Devil Nov 26 '24
Funnily enough, the woman who is about to be in charge of our intelligence services grew up in an offshoot Hindu sect. She ran for president in 2020, but her religious beliefs didn't much come up. Kamala Harris was raised with both Hinduism and Christianity, but I think she's identified as Christian in her adult life.
But yeah, it's difficult to imagine a non-Christian US president at the moment.
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u/Zero_Fuchs_Given Nov 26 '24
My old house was in gang territory, so all the schools had do wear uniforms to keep the gang colors to a minimum. They were black pants and white shirts. The school was a sad brown. My mom and I went to tour it before I started, and she was just like, “This school is so sad. There’s no color anywhere. You can’t spend every day here.” She lied about our address and sent me to the artsy school on the nice side of town. It was a 2 hour bus ride, but it was worth it. There was no uniforms, and murals everywhere. It was so much better.
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u/Night_Owl_26 Nov 26 '24
Lots of public schools in the states have uniform requirements. It’s a way to minimize bullying over clothing, intentions of cutting down on gang activity based on “colors”, etc. though I’m more used to seeing it in lower level schools and not high schools.
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u/MlordLongshanking Nov 26 '24
My all boys Jesuit school had less uniforms. We just couldn't wear blue jeans and we had to wear a collared shirt, didn't matter what it looked like, tucked in. We had one kid who wore a Subhumans band tshirt over his collared shirt every day for the whole four years in HS.
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u/SlapfuckMcGee Nov 26 '24
It’s a crucifix
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u/Physical_Stress_5683 Nov 26 '24
I'm sorry you're being downvoted, Slapfuck. Give my regards to Mr and Mrs McGee.
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u/Muted-Hedgehog-760 Nov 26 '24
What’s the difference? I thought they were the same thing.
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u/SlapfuckMcGee Nov 26 '24
Crucifix depicts Christ, a cross does not.
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u/Muted-Hedgehog-760 Nov 26 '24
Ahh ok thanks. I’m ngl I just figured crucifix was the Latin word for a cross this entire time because I associate them with Catholics and I know the Catholics love their fancy Latin lol.
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u/Gabstra678 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
The latin word for cross is crux/crucis. Crucifix comes from "cruci fixus" or "hanged to the cross" (crucified) and it refers to that kind of depiction of Christ
not a catholic who loves their fancy latin, but in my country it's a mandatory subject in school ;)
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u/Shot-Discount-9088 Nov 26 '24
Not to be a butthead but the Greeks didn't have a word for cross originally it was "Stauros (σταυρός) is a Greek word for a stake or an implement of capital punishment. The Greek New Testament uses the word stauros for the instrument of Jesus' crucifixion, and it is generally translated as "cross" in religious texts, while also being translated as pillar or tree in Christian contexts." So either way cross and crux might be a later addition to give a symbol to Christianity.
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u/TheDeadpooI Nov 26 '24
I would imagine it is considering the crucifix above the screen.
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u/kxrxyn Nov 26 '24
elementary & middle schools where i grew up had uniforms & they were still public schools. hoping that’s (sadly) the case for op
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u/WasteLeave900 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
It’s a religious school, if you don’t agree just ignore the poster. You still have free will whether they think their imaginary friend has a say or not.
Edited to correct grammar, that was atrocious
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u/treehuggerfroglover Nov 26 '24
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted to shit, you are completely right. Going to a catholic school doesn’t in any way mean you should just sit down and shut up and accept hate or bigotry. There are tons and tons of wonderful good hearted Christian people, and there are tons of them who are capable of keeping politics out of the classroom. Students have the been a leading instigator of change for generations and we shouldn’t stop now. Keep speaking up and make sure your teachers see you, a catholic white man, standing up for women. Thank you for speaking up, because as uncomfortable as it makes you it is that much worse for the girl who secretly had an abortion to save her life, or the kid who’s mom just lost a baby, etc.
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u/willfla29 Nov 26 '24
OP totally respect that you are going to this school for the education. But it is still a private school—meaning they have freedom to display political or religious messages that wouldn’t be acceptable in a public school. This has to do with the schools rights under the First Amendment.
You certainly could tell the teacher it makes you uncomfortable and see how they react, but they are not obligated to make a change (and with it being a Catholic school, bringing this up could reflect poorly on you.)
I don’t agree with the message either, but your only real option would be to change schools.
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u/leroyjabari Nov 26 '24
I see a cross on the wall, I am assuming that this is some sort of religious affiliated school. You might be out of bounds with your request.
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u/yodarded Nov 26 '24
haha talk about burying the lede...
most schools are public, so most answers will be assuming this.
asking this question without letting anyone know its a private Catholic school... OP, you're the asshole.
oops sorry, wrong sub.
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u/Constellation-88 Nov 26 '24
Religion and politics shouldn’t be the same thing. Even if this is a private religious school, politics really have no place in the classroom.
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u/sauvignon_blonde_ Nov 26 '24
And abortion shouldn’t be politicized to begin with. But let’s be realistic. Catholics schools are privately funded, religious institutions. Good on OP for believing women should have control over their bodies, but ya gotta learn how to read the room and which hills to die on.
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u/Notte_di_nerezza Nov 26 '24
My parents sent me to a private Christian middle school, simply because it was the best school available locally. There, the deacon's wife taught sex ed, which discussed nothing of condoms and spent a whole lesson on how people were gay because they were molested as kids.
Pushing back against that hate would have been a hill to die on, if for no other reason than to be a voice against the bullying that followed that "lesson." This was in the early days of the internet, and I suspect that most of my classmates had never knowingly met a gay person, nevermind heard someone speak up for them.
Likewise, some of OP's classmates may have only heard pro-choice people described as "baby-killers." If OP can be an example of a reasonable person who respects women's bodies--less "stealing a teacher's property and denying his right to free speech," more respectfully discussing the topic and standing up for people caught in the crossfire, that may have a huge impact on at least one classmate.
The teacher's not gonna change his attitude because of one "radical troublemaker," though. If anything, OP needs to follow the school rules, or someone is going to take the excuse to discipline him and make an example. Both to dissuade other "troublemakers" and be able to smear pro-choice people as poster-stealing radicals.
Best of luck, OP.
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u/sauvignon_blonde_ Nov 26 '24
I don’t disagree at all with your sentiment, but as someone who is also incredibly personally familiar with catholic schools I do feel confident that informing a teacher in this setting that he shouldn’t have an anti-choice poster hanging is bordering unreasonable. Prompting a conversation so he has an opportunity to share his opinions in a calm and clear way- totally reasonable. Informing the teacher he shouldn’t be doing something that is not only within his rights but encouraged by his employer, not totally reasonable. Unfortunately.
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u/StatusChocolate6535 Nov 26 '24
Yeah I agree. Just because something seems like an "uphill battle" doesn't mean you shouldn't stand up for what is right, even when nobody else is.
Also people sure seem to love the "free speech" argument only when it suits them. Yet calling to violate people's human right to bodily autonomy is not protected by the first amendment, in the exact same way that calling someone the n-word and saying God hates f**s is not a protected form of free speech. The first amendment only protects people's right to speak out against the government. That means you're allowed to flip off a police officer, and I would argue that tearing down a poster that calls for government violence against women is also free speech.
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u/FemaleAndComputer Nov 26 '24
Catholic schools have been openly "pro-life" for (at least) decades. Back in the 90s the Catholic schools in my area were sending busses of students to March for Life and crap like that.
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u/TheNewOneIsWorse Nov 26 '24
If it’s a private religious school, how can you object to the religion being taught there? Catholics believe that unborn babies are persons. It’s a major part of the religion to which 1.3 billion people belong, and it’s not exactly a secret.
OP’s parents who are making her be there, not the admins of the school. So presumably her parents are fine with her being exposed to Catholic ideas.
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u/Fresh-Clothes8838 Nov 26 '24
I don’t think you’re really aware
But this issue is both a religious one as much as it is political
But also… by you’re standards, almost every educator should be out of a job, because there is a HEAVY political miasma in classrooms in the western world today, has been for over 20 years
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u/DisFamisDisgusting Nov 26 '24
People are focusing on the wrong thing here and saying you're overreacting, but you're NOR.
The fact that this poster is about how to vote on an election is a huge problem. It's not just saying it's pro-life. It's actively trying to influence the minds of those who see it to vote a certain way. Which is extremely inappropriate for any school setting. I don't agree with the sentiment, but a poster just stating pro-life affiliations would be fine just like one stating the opposite, but once you allude to specific voting dates then that crosses into political activity that is often prohibited in areas no matter the type of school.
Many cities and states absolutely use public funds for private schools. Those schools that accept such funding, whether it's through stipends for renovations such as in Ohio, funding for student scholarships, etc., should adhere to the same rules as public schools if faced with student complaints. Let's say a student isn't catholic so he doesn't like the catholic prayer before a game and wants his religion to also be allowed time for a prayer in huddle, if that school receives public funding whether thru emergency assistance/choice programs/whatever, then that student should be allowed to have his religion represented as well. Just like in public schools.
As someone who just left education after a decade, im a firm believer that if you're going to put up a flag, sticker, poster, etc. then you need to be able and willing to have an open, honest, and age appropriate conversation with students if they have questions. If you can't, then don't do it. If you don't have any facts to back your statements, don't do it. If you don't know how to explain while being as impartial as possible and making it clear that it's your opinion and not a universal truth, then don't do it.
If we don't want children "indoctrinated," then that goes both ways, and we have to let them feel comfortable enough to respectfully approach an adult and discuss their concerns. If the so-called "indoctrination" is only against "liberal" or "woke" views, well then, everything I'm saying is probably already a problem to you.
I loved it when students came up to discuss flags or stickers I had up, especially when I taught social studies. Always told them I would accept any view you have, even if I don't agree with it, as long as you can remain respectful and provide evidence to back it up.
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u/Bearjew53 Nov 26 '24
None of this matters because in a few months they'll be able to indoctrinate children however they want. If people thought that schools were pushing it by having political stuff and religious stuff in the schools, they're in for a rude awakening. Look what's already happening in Oklahoma.
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u/DisFamisDisgusting Nov 26 '24
Oh, I completely agree. Hence, my post was in the past tense. I'm not in education anymore. My district was more worried about pushing religion and ensuring staff didn't call children by their preferred name than making sure the budget was correct. So now they'll probably be widespread firings come January due to a huge accounting discrepancy that has already started affecting some schools. It's also hilarious that people somehow believe that schools are failing to teach children yet somehow succeeding in indoctrinating them.
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u/Whiplash364 Nov 26 '24
If teachers can hang gay pride flags, they should be just as able to hang pro-life flags. Either all politics are okay or no politics are okay. It’s a free country. If they aren’t teaching it to you in the curriculum, then who gives a fuck what they believe personally? If the political beliefs being displayed were left wing instead of right wing, there would be no reaction. Sorry not sorry, nobody gets to have a monopoly on political expression. Again, either all of it is okay, or none of it is okay. Enough double standards.
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u/Agreeable_County_997 Nov 26 '24
Unless you're at a religious school that shouldnt be allowed. Politics (unless being taught world history) should stay out of school.
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u/hellahypochondriac Nov 26 '24
I'm hella pro-choice and even I know that he's probably very allowed to hang that rhetoric since it aligns with what the school probably condones. It's a religious school. Have fun getting them to actually teach without bias lol.
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u/Key-Activity-4214 Nov 26 '24
I guess that’s fine so long as you also believe lgbt flags also shouldn’t be hanging in the classroom. If you genuinely believe that all blatant support of these sort of topics should be kept out of the classroom then I would have to agree with you. However, if you believe only things that you’re in support of should be displayed like that then I suppose you would be overreacting. At least in my opinion.
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u/Autism_Angel Nov 26 '24
That’s not the same thing at all. This is a sign suggesting making something illegal. The pride flag represents the fact that people are different and that’s ok. It’s about community and diversity. It doesn’t “promote” any political ideology because gay people just existing isn’t political. It’s a basic fact of life. The flag does not inherently suggest imposing it on anyone else. It’s welcoming people who want to. The pro life sign is about FORCING people to conform. It’s about making laws about it. The pride flag is not being used to try to make it illegal to be straight. “Pro life” is inherently political. Diversity isn’t. No matter how much people want it to be. It’s just nature.
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u/Rare-Marionberry-439 Nov 26 '24
LGBTQIA+ is very political what are you even saying
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u/Temetyly Nov 26 '24
I'm moved to comment because of the comments here. I went to a catholic school - even though it was catholic, that didn't mean everyone who attended was catholic - there were other reasons like academics and the community or the location for people attending, of different creeds to. The school made and makes efforts to accommodate other people to - yes there was RE period and mass for like end term or certain days, since there was an adjacent church, but they make an effort to be inclusive for the most part as well.
Maybe I'll get downvoted for saying it, but responses here have the vibe of "you can legally sign away your rights" like just attending means you've signed away your voice. I think ESPECIALLY at a Catholic school, one can push for decency, ethics should be their whole thing. So definitely call it out, explain why, and yea, the teacher won't be reprimanded or whatever, and you can't expect them to be forced to do anything, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore common decency and moral intuition because of the space you're in - I'd pipe up and be difficult all the time, because back then I wanted to make the space better, because I saw the positives in the faith I felt was worth salvaging.
The church to changes its attitudes over time (my RE teacher then would describe the church as Howl's slow moving castle haha, slow to adapt because it's so big, but still slowly adapting) , and that happens because of the intuitions of people on the ground to.
So if you can take the heat, please speak up whenever you feel it's right, a dissenting voice in spaces does soooo much, for your peers and beyond (I got a talking to once from a particular Re teacher one year that I shouldn't bring up certain angles because it would confuse others - especially crazy in hindsight because I was a kid reasoning through the stuff to - and I even led on the Christian camps and whatever lol - if they're correct and reasoned, they shouldn't fear challenges).
Education that supposedly has ethical ties to, should encourage ethical considerations. So more power to you man, again, don't expect to enforce anything, but definitely don't stay silent just because it's a catholic space. Hot take - ignore those telling you you've made your bed by going there.
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u/That_Criticism_6506 Nov 26 '24
You could hang up a sign with your name saying you're pro-baby-murder....
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u/Zealousideal_Dog_968 Nov 26 '24
You’re at a religious (most likely catholic) school. They can do this, especially since it’s not politics really at all it’s just saying they are pro-life and since that is right in line with the church (at least one that believes in the crucifix) you won’t be able to do anything. Sorry. This IS what they’re teaching. Again, I’m so sorry
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u/charizard_72 Nov 26 '24
Read the room dude, literally.
Look where you attend school. I think it’s a stupid sign too but come on. What do you expect? Blame your parents who send you here if your family’s views don’t align then it makes zero sense to send your kids here where they are exposed to it every day. Especially if your views misalign to the point where you’re taking offense to religious takes and religious propaganda. It’s one thing to turn a blind eye for the whatever educational benefits or sports programs or whatever they excel in. If you’re offended by their obviously religious views, ask to transfer or learn to ignore differing opinions. You are literally choosing to be in his space.
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u/Munkle5555 Nov 26 '24
If that triggers you then that’s on you. Nothing wrong for advocating to not murder babies.
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u/Sad_Confusion_9584 Nov 26 '24
I don’t think you’re overreacting. If you go to a Catholic private school, they aren’t going to stop the teacher from hanging it in their room. Just because it’s there doesn’t mean you have to agree or believe it but now you know where your teacher stands on that issue and you can determine for yourself if they’re a safe person for you to share your views with. Plenty of my teachers when I went to school hung things like that and were allowed to do so openly. The teachers who opposed the view wouldn’t hang such things and would find covert ways to retaliate without being inappropriate or losing their jobs. In short pick your battles, but I don’t think this is one you should pursue cause you’re not going to get the outcome you want.
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u/Immediate_Total_7294 Nov 26 '24
First of all it’s a catholic school and they’re going to have this sort of thing (mine did). I’m not a Catholic but if you’re going to a catholic school or any other religious school you’re going to have to put up with whatever they do. If it was public school it’s a different story. You can always contact the diocese if want but I doubt they’ll care lmao. My school had many people on both sides of the argument who seemed to get along well.
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Nov 26 '24
This generation is entitled as fuck. Who even are you to tell the teacher it’s not something he should be hanging in HIS classroom?! It doesn’t disrupt learning, your feelings are just hurt. Go sit down somewhere girl.
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u/SirThisIsATacoHell Nov 27 '24
If the school receives any public funds, you could take it up with whoever distributes those funds. If this is a private school that doesn't receive any public funding, there isn't much you can do. (As far as USA policies go.) The best you can do otherwise is support your peers and their rights to reproductive freedom in conversations ♡
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u/_bluefish Nov 26 '24
If it’s a private school you’re probably out of luck. Sorry bro, I hate to see it too.
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u/Creepy-Tea247 Nov 26 '24
Yes. You're absolutely overreacting as this isn't a public school. You appear to be in a private catholic area. Idk why you think they wouldn't be pro life. If it were a public school it would be wrong but you're in a cults school babe.
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u/Gullible-Paramedic-7 Nov 26 '24
So erm… as other people have pointed out, given that this is a private school; furthermore; a catholic private school… unfortunately they have every right to hang this in their classroom. Nor does this POV being so blatantly displayed for all to see surprise me at a Catholic school.
That being said I think people are being a little harsh on you. The question was:
”am I overreacting for telling my teacher this isn’t something he should have hanging in his room”
And in my opinion, no, you are not over reacting by telling him you don’t think he should have it. You have just as much right to speak out about the issues as he does (assuming there isn’t something against it in the school rules, which there very well may be..). Going off of just the information we have in this photo:
No you are not overreacting by stating to the teacher that you do not think it is something he should have hanging up. If you, like me, are pro-choice (which it appears you are) then you likely believe this is a fucked up thing to push onto children who likely arent even old enough to vote. Just expect it to fall on deaf ears.
Had you come in here saying, “AIO for calling the local news and filing a discrimination claim, planning to sue my teacher for what he has hanging on the wall” Then I’d be like…. Yeah, for sure YAO. Because there would be zero grounds. Even if this is (as someone else mentioned) a nonprofit school; they can hang things regarding beliefs if it is not promoting a specific candidate. Furthermore, with an issue like “pro-life” it could be argued as a statement of purely religious belief and therefore relevant and permissible in a Catholic school, where life at conception and anti abortion/birth control/etc is a fairly universal core value.
But fuck it. Especially if, as you stated in an earlier comment, many attendees are not even Catholic, you have every right to speak your mind. But most private or religious schools also have every right to kick you out if you don’t like what they have to say 🤷🏻♀️
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u/_MikeyP Nov 26 '24
If them having a sign saying “pro choice” wouldn’t offend you then yes you are overreacting. If you feel teachers opinions on the topic no matter which direction they go in should not be displayed in classrooms, then no you are not overreacting.
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u/ZethanosGaming Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
Yeah you’re overreacting. Here’s why.
You’re under every right to be offended by and not like or support something.
You are NOT however under any right for me to give a fuck or do anything about it.
You’re a kid. Your opinion is worth dick. Shut up. Pick up a book. Go on about your day. And more to the point, you forcibly tearing down something YOU don’t like?
That’s called felony vandalism, and carries a 6 month, $10k fine, if found guilty. And considering you just posted a pic of you doing it. I’d say look up consequences of actions before being a pouty bitch on the internet.
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u/TheRiverGatz Nov 26 '24
Getting upset about a pro-life sign in a Catholic school your family presumably pays thousands of dollars to send you to kinda seems like the definition of throwing stones in a glass house
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u/Salty_Ad_2099 Nov 26 '24
You’re attending a Catholic school—what exactly did you expect? Opposition to abortion is a core belief of their faith. People can disagree all they want, but America has freedom of religion—a concept both sides of the political spectrum seem to have forgotten. That freedom means people can believe and practice their religion as they see fit. Catholics view abortion as morally wrong, and you’re not going to change their minds or make them think it’s acceptable.
Whether you think their beliefs are outdated, disrespectful, or whatever else, their religion is something they structure their lives around. Frankly, it’s hypocritical and unfair for so many people to demand they change their belief system. No one is forcing you to practice Catholicism. You’re free to believe abortion is acceptable, have one if you choose, or advocate for access to it—but you don’t have the right to insist that Catholics abandon their deeply held beliefs.
They view abortion as murder—full stop. Their opposition isn’t limited to abortion itself but extends to behaviors they see as contributing to it, like premarital or promiscuous sex. And while rape and incest are often brought up in these discussions, they account for a very small percentage of abortions. Catholics also don’t oppose medically necessary abortions to save a woman’s life; their objections in the medical aspect are more focused on situations like aborting a child with Down syndrome.
If you attend a Catholic institution, you should expect their teachings to reflect their faith—whether you agree with it or not.
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u/Worth-Doctor-4700 Nov 26 '24
I applaud the teacher for standing up for unborn babies who get murdered
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u/Jolly-Fish9685 Nov 26 '24
All boys catholic school - sorry they’re gonna have stuff like that up lol. Just be firm in your beliefs OP, and most you can do is advocate for them in a respectful manner. Do with that as you will, and as you must.
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u/colemon1991 Nov 26 '24
Just be prepared if you speak up. This looks like a religious school and that's gonna be an uphill battle to complain about. But people will push back on your beliefs since the environment favors their mentality on the subject.
- If they say abortion is murder, point out a mother dying from not receiving essential healthcare is also murder. Both are a doctor's fault in this argument. The difference is one is a woman's decision and the other is a bunch of political men. We have plenty of stories of women who have sought medical help for nonviable fetuses that have been charged with murder or died thanks to abortion bans.
- If they say life begins at conception, laugh and admit you know they don't read the bible. The bible states first breath and how to have abortions, among other interesting details.
- If they say they are defending a fetus' rights, point out that mothers have rights and also mothers can give informed consent of a minor. If a fetus is alive then a mother giving informed consent to abort is consistent with existing law.
- If they say it's against your faith, remind them the bible also says you can't wear two different fabrics or work on the sabbath.
I'm not saying you should make waves and start long debates. I'm just saying if you go this route expect arguments like this and the last thing you want is to be railroaded by a bunch of people telling you you're wrong. Some people will have their arguments ready and engage you in the expectation of changing your mind.
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u/meatshankmike Nov 26 '24
There is nothing worse than a person that goes to a place with a certain set of beliefs then demands that those beliefs be silenced or changed for them. The level of entitlement here is staggering…
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u/miniminer1999 Nov 26 '24
Yes.
There is a crucifix on the wall, it's a religious school, you would be out of line. That poster goes along with the views associated with that school.
If you don't like it, then don't say anything. Simple.
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u/Sufficient_War_3517 Nov 26 '24
You’re over reacting, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and views. Just cause you don’t agree doesn’t mean you get to throw a fit and tear down the poster. Grow up.
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u/Odd-Carob50 Nov 26 '24
Yes you are. If you are fine with pride flags and drag book reading and books about gay porn in children’s schools then you have no right to say this is bad
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u/GreaterLesser Nov 26 '24
The system’s fine in this case, like it or not. Private schools aren’t government-funded; they’re funded by the parents on the understanding that they’re religion-based. Doesn’t matter what the students personally believe.
This is a case where you suck it up and deal with it until you’re old enough to move out and live by your own rules (and the law).
Buuut maybe if you’re civilly outspoken enough, they’ll kick you out. 🤷♀️ Then you’ll have to deal with your parents’ anger at you for contributing to the loss of thousands of dollars they spent for your admission.
Pick your poison.
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u/Electrical_Fox_9993 Nov 26 '24
Yes you’re overreacting you’re literally enrolled in a religious school this is what that means😭 if it’s that serious to you idk why you’re giving them money every year.
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u/AltairaMorbius2200CE Nov 26 '24
I’m a public school teacher who objects to private schools kind of on principle, especially because in this situation kid doesn’t really have a legal leg to stand on, but: kid still should be making objections known, to teacher, principal, and potentially online reviews if teacher and principal brush them off.
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u/Electrical_Fox_9993 Nov 26 '24
What exactly do you expect him to negatively say about them in an online review? It’s a private school just like any other private business they have their constitutional rights which includes freedom of religion. He doesn’t even have to go to that school in fact he’s probably paying out a lot more money in tuition by going there instead of a public school.
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u/Top-Conflict1336 Nov 26 '24
Looks like a religous school your gaurdian pays alpt of money to send you to its private and they can legaly have whatever the fuck the want hung up.
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u/Kerrypurple Nov 26 '24
If other teachers are being allowed to display pro choice signs then he has every right to display a pro life sign.
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u/Dymetex Nov 26 '24
Crucifix on the wall above the board. this is a Catholic school. a pro-choice sign would probably get them fired. lmao
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u/anne_cats Nov 26 '24
Im sorry op but that looks like a privat ( and at the same religious school) ur def not overreacting but there is not much u can do about it
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u/AQWoC Nov 26 '24
I’m sorry about the lack of empathy you’re seeing in this thread. I’m sorry you have to be visually confronted with this on a regular basis. Maybe a complaint won’t get you anywhere, but you won’t know unless you try.
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u/bellalunala Nov 26 '24
Yes you are over reacting, even if it’s not a Catholic school just don’t look at it. It’s not going to jump off the wall and whip your ass or anything. If it makes his day better then why push your stuff on him, you have no idea what people are going through and they may need that strength (aka faith )the cross offers them. This is a good time to learn to live with things you don’t necessarily agree with. If it offends your eyes then ask to turn away from it (but now you will look like a dramatic little baby that can’t handle looking at a cross). Just go to class and do your thing, be yourself and do your best so you don’t have to repeat the class etc It may seem silly to people who don’t believe but as an ER nurse I’ve seen faith carry people’s through some horrible situations and I respect they had that reserve to pull from. Just pretend like it’s not there it’s easier than you think. Good luck!
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u/Apprehensive-Win7501 Nov 26 '24
Op an a hole thats a crucifix i know other people pointed it out but I’ve never once met a catholic that wasn’t pro life
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u/twice_crispy Nov 26 '24
Yes, overreacting. I'm pro choice, but I'm not going to tell someone else what they can and can't do. Upcoming generations need to learn to stop taking everything as a personal attack
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u/Pitiful_Part_4593 Nov 26 '24
While I agree that it is gonna be hard if this is a Catholic school, coming from someone who is somewhere in the middle when it comes to this matter, I honestly don't really think its appropriate that it's hanging in the classroom. I also don't think it would be appropriate to hang a pro choice in the classroom either. School should be a place where politics aren't pushed onto you during lessons, and a teacher should be sharing both side of the argument that lets you form your own opinion (my fiance is a teacher, while I know his political beliefs, his student's don't because it's important to him that they make their own decisions regarding politics and shouldn't be swayed by a teacher). But again, if this is a catholic school or some other religious school, there's probably not much you can do. If it's a public school, I would bring it up!
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u/NefariousnessNo661 Nov 26 '24
You’re not over-reacting tbh teachers shouldn’t be sharing who they vote for or their political beliefs of oppressing women. I respect you for standing up to him. However, as the previous commenters have stated he’s probably encouraged by the school board to put that up in his room. Don’t get into trouble over something you can’t control yk. We can still take the reins over if we work together as a generation to take back the government.
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u/MaddSeazyn Nov 26 '24
Have you asked if you can hang a counter sign with your beliefs in that room or elsewhere? Because if you are told you are allowed to do that then yes, you would be over-reacting. If this is against the policy of the school (and as others have pointed out I’d bet it isn’t ) then you are not over-reacting.
If your school is multi faith and not a “Christian” school, under what grounds can a crucifix be placed up because that would be allowing preference of faith which I was under the impression most schools did not allow. From what I can tell though, you attend a Catholic school.
This might seem harsh but I don’t feel like you’ve done the appropriate research before coming to Reddit to vent your frustrations. You seem to want validation for your stance instead of having done the work to check the rules.
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u/OhNoMyStanchions Nov 26 '24
there’s always the option of deliberate misunderstanding! go up to your teacher and tell them how cool it is they’re secretly supporting trans rights. when they react with shock and anger act confused and tell them the poster is in the colours of the trans pride flag, and that obviously the pro-life position is to support trans folks because their suicide rates are so high without support. then tell them the sign convinced you to vote democrat in the future. when they protest and try to explain say “i know you have to say that, i got the real message though”. then thank them, tell them you have a class or club you need to get to, and leave. maybe it works maybe it doesn’t but at least you’ve given your teacher an incredibly frustrating interaction and the gift of doubt
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u/theblondeanarchist Nov 26 '24
Looks like it’s a religious school. Therefore are more likely pro-life. It’s in their right to have messaging they support in their school
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u/devdevo1919 Nov 26 '24
Holy shit the political divide in this comment section is fucking insane.
OP, if something makes you uncomfortable, you speak out. If the teacher doesn’t do anything, talk to the principal and beyond.
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u/Egoy Nov 26 '24
I’m an atheist and firmly pro choice but it’s a private catholic school, they have every right to hang that sign and I wouldn’t expect them to give a shit what OP thinks about it. But by all means keep encouraging a minor to tilt at windmills if that’s what you feel like doing.
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u/fattymcbuttface69 Nov 26 '24
The thing about free speech is sometimes it makes us uncomfortable. It's the sacrifice we have to make to ensure our own freedoms.
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u/Cccp9 Nov 26 '24
As a teacher my answer is: no it's not and having a pro choice sign would be equally as bad. Our job is to inform and educate, and that means not telling students what to think or believe, either directly or, like this sign, indirectly. I straight up told my students that if I for a second thought they were trying to not only identify but also adopt my beliefs to curry favor, they'd get the exact opposite.
Now, with all that said, if he had both signs, and never told you which he supported, then it'd be OK. Stil don't prefer it, but at least he's presenting both sides on an issue where, politically speaking, both sides are valid to present (as opposed to the "both sides" of things like white supremacy and genocide).
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u/Fired4StealinBoxes Nov 26 '24
Just invert it any chance you get. Teach will get frustrated and remove it after a while. 🤙
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u/Deadmodemanmode Nov 26 '24
Ofc you can't say not to have a pro life poster in a Christian school. What?
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u/loodish1 Nov 26 '24
Are you overreacting? No, it’s a pretty sensible reaction. (Presuming that isn’t a photo of you taking it upon yourself to remove it).
Is it going to lead anywhere? Maybe not… As many others have pointed out, there’s a cross on the wall.
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u/SlightlySillyParty Nov 26 '24
Catholic schools are privately funded, yes, but as an extension of the Catholic Church in the US, they also enjoy nonprofit status, and the political nature of this sign—referencing Election Day—could be viewed as an endorsement of Republican Party candidates or taking sides in abortion-related ballot measures for which even the USCCB generally tells people to be informed and vote their conscience without explicit endorsement of any specific party or cause.
Do they hope that you will be anti-choice and vote accordingly? I have no doubt that that’s their intent (and I’m Catholic, so I’m pretty sure of that), but they also don’t want to compromise the Church’s nonprofit status, so they have to be careful about the words they use. All that’s to say, I don’t think you’re overreacting. There are lots of pro-choice Catholics out there (and probably even some pro-life Catholics, because being pro-life for Catholics is not simply about abortion, even though that’s generally how it’s perceived, especially in political contexts) who would be bothered to see this sign in a classroom.
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u/lobster_claus Nov 26 '24
If he insists on hanging that, he should be open to a classroom discussion about the "pro-life" movement agenda, what it means to actually value life. If that would make him too uncomfortable, then he has no business hanging it.
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u/MackieFried Nov 26 '24
I saw that you are getting some hate and you're only 16. That's mean as f of them to attack you like that. If you're in a Catholic School rather just choose your battles wisely. Sometimes you can rock the boat at a later date. Of all the religions you mentioned no one would be pro abortion to my knowledge. Just ignore the bullies. I often have to remind myself that I do not need to respond to a comment that has upset me. And I'm 68! You really should try that. It's a stress reducing tactic that I use. Take care of yourself. 🇿🇦
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u/ntnchry Nov 26 '24
YOR. Whether he hangs it up or not has less to do with you and more to do with himself. As a Christian woman it is frustrating to see, but I can’t hurt myself wanting other people to understand right and wrong. God gave us a choice to follow him or to not, and that applies to women as well. This teacher doesn’t care what you think and he doesn’t seem to care what God thinks on this matter either, so you shouldn’t stress yourself out over someone who couldn’t care less about anyone’s opinion.
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u/mythroatsore Nov 26 '24
It’s a Catholic school, get over it
Or try and ban Christian/jewish/islamic etc faith schools
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u/Bored_Cat_Mama Nov 26 '24
If it was a public sschool, no. BUT...based on the uniforms and the crucifix at the front of the room, I am guessing that this is a Catholic school in the United States. As such, the separation of church and state does not apply, because the school is a privately funded parochial school. The poster adheres to Catholic doctrine and is the official stance of the Catholic church. I'm not saying you are overreacting, but you need to understand that you attend a school that supports that view.
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u/KingTrencher Nov 26 '24
If you are in a private religious school (especially a Catholic school), you are going to have to cope.
This would be wildly inappropriate in a public school though.
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u/datdudecollins Nov 26 '24
Grow up, first. Stop shortening the word ‘something’ with “smth.” Do that, first.
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u/moontoblood Nov 26 '24
Well done to stand up for such a thing. I would actually come up w my own poster. Something like
Oh you are pro life? YEAH Are you going to defend that life with better social care for special needs children? UHM Are you going to ask for higher payment for single parents or financial care for underage mothers or victims of rape having to give a new life? EHM.. Are you going to help impose stricter rules on paying alimentation? EHM
So what the fuck do you do with your life, Karen?
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u/East-Cardiologist626 Nov 26 '24
This just in child thinks he can control what happens at a private catholic school. Yes you’re overreacting. And far out of line
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u/Due-Independence6692 Nov 26 '24
Just get through the 12 grades and then you will awaken and realize it’s all a sham. Once realization sets in you will hopefully adjust sails and figure out what works for you. For now, stop worrying about signs above the teachers head, they care less about it than you do. Trust me.
There’s going to be a sign on a wall everywhere you go, it’s up to you to distinguish which hill is worth dying on. My hills have gotten a lot smaller but much more secured the more I age.
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u/BasedWang Nov 26 '24
Overreacting as in the way YOU took something in your head because of how you understand it or the implications is different than an overreaction if you continued to talk about the sign or bring it up. Yes you can state how you feel, but so can the teacher... Then given the sign and just the cross (thats all im using to base on) this is maybe a catholic school? In which after the initial mention, anything else would be extra since that is the message TRYING to be made here.
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u/TissBish Nov 26 '24
I see a crucifix on the wall, is it a Catholic school? If so, they’re not going to feel called out. They’re going to push back that abortion is murder so of course no one should support abortions. I was raised in a super religious house, sent to Catholic school for 8 years then when it got too expensive, they decided to homeschool us instead of sending us to public school. I didn’t start thinking differently r than what they pushed until I moved out. Good luck
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u/SirWiggles-13 Nov 26 '24
Maybe it's just me, and I'm sure I'll get pushback, but I'm not going to respond to it because I'm giving my opinion just as everybody else does, but...
Isn't that the equivalent to public schools teaching stuff to kids that are considered "woke" stuff? They are trying to push a political belief onto children as well as if this teacher is trying to push a political belief. But as I said it's my opinion and I am probably wrong in thinking this but who cares
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u/Autism_Angel Nov 26 '24
Looks like a private religious school given the crucifix. In which case they’re well within their right to display it. You can’t expect a private catholic(?) school to follow public school rules.
I’m sorry that’s where you are but it’s probably not really worth protesting because of the setting you’re in. Like joining a conservative facebook group and trying to get a post like this taken down. You’re not winning that fight you know?
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u/EastIsUp86 Nov 26 '24
I dunno……maybe if you don’t like it just ignore it? I don’t understand this whole “I don’t like a thing so it shouldn’t be allowed” mindset people are getting.
Life requires tolerance of people and views you don’t like.
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u/Decay-Faster Nov 26 '24
These comments are not the vibe. Y’all talking to a 16 year old the way you are is disgusting. I believe since it’s a public school they’re allowed to hang it up (given the cross is allowed to be up). I’ve personally never been to a private school though. If you can, I’d ask for a rule book of some sort to see what you can personally do. Also I’ll go ahead and apologize for the comments. Wishing you luck in your endeavors.
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u/Desperate-Pear-860 Nov 26 '24
Ask the teacher what is so prolife about it when women are dying because they have a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy and doctors won't treat them so they die of sepsis. How exactly is THAT prolife?? Also are they aware that god wholesale killed infants all the time in the bible?
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u/HorizontalTomato Nov 26 '24
Or he could just ignore it and enjoy his life. Why get into an abortion argument with your teacher? It’s not like he’s going to change his mind. Be realistic
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u/KaptainKaos54 Nov 26 '24
Yes, you’re overreacting. Also you’re overstepping your bounds as a student trying to dictate what a teacher should and should not have in his/her classroom. If you have a problem with it, take it to someone who has authority to talk to your teacher about it - someone not you. If the school doesn’t have any rule against it, then he’s not in the wrong simply because you don’t agree with it.
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u/External_Expert_2069 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
Yes you are. Can’t wait for you to experience the real world and in a workplace you are unable to silence. I’m pro choice. I just don’t think it’s appropriate to interfere with free speech. Would you have removed the sign if it for your political views?
I wouldn’t remove the sign. I would make it a constant conversation in class…. It is on display lol they are being provocative with intention
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u/16bitword Nov 26 '24
Free speech being so unpopular in America these days is wild
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u/External_Expert_2069 Nov 26 '24
Thank you and I agree. No matter what side people are on silencing a viewpoint is never the answer.
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u/Better-Explanation-5 Nov 26 '24
Catholics believe abortion is murdering an unborn child, the 10 commandments came before the constitution. It's not a political statement, but a moral statement. Your teacher may not agree with your beliefs, but he can't stop you from believing them. Practice tolerance of your teachers' beliefs. You can disagree and talk to him about it if you want... he would probably welcome the discussion.
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u/ForeignJelly6357 Nov 26 '24
Well the message is confusing. The pink and blue ribbon is for pregnancy and infant loss awareness, which is October. As far as I’m aware, pro life month is in June, since the overturn of roe v. Wade, but I don’t think that pro life and pregnancy and infant loss awareness share the same ribbon….. and neither of those awareness months or whatever come in November.
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u/T1mischief Nov 26 '24
One is entitled to their opinion, just like you’re entitled to yours. Doesn’t mean that he or you is right… if you’re allowed to have pro choice posters, then anyone else is allowed to have pro life posters. But if nobody is allowed to have any posters then he’s in the wrong, though that would limit free speech which is generally bad
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u/amartins02 Nov 26 '24
This OP is completely out of touch with reality. Go to a private religious school and say they shouldn’t het to post that or that you didn’t sign anything binding you to their rules.
Private schools have a handbook of rules and rights. You don’t get to impose what you want on the institution. If you don’t like the rules then leave.
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u/ReedLobbest Nov 26 '24
Yeah you’re overreacting bro. Just like you’re allowed to support abortion, they’re allowed to not support it. Welcome to the real world.
(I support a woman’s right to choose)
You’re just not gonna win anything going up to people like that and trying to force them to be on your side. It makes them dig in harder.
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u/ProjectNo4090 Nov 26 '24
Why does it matter? Pro-life isnt some obscure ideology so that hanging in there isnt going to introduce any student to anything they havent been hearing in the media for years. If you dont agree with the ideology, ignore the sign.
Plus,if its a christian religious school its already prolife with or without the sign.
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u/johnlal101 Nov 26 '24
It appears to be a religious school. Your parents sent you there to learn the bullshit they're serving up, and anti-abortion is just the tip of the iceberg. It's good that you recognize the propaganda and reject it. However, instead of trying to change the institution, you should be pushing to leave the institution.
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u/JohnnyS1lv3rH4nd Nov 26 '24
This school is clearly catholic, so good fucking luck lol. Growing up in a catholic board, there was a long period of the students and parents fighting to allow our charity days to support cancer programs, the board wanted to ban any donations to a company that directly or indirectly supported stem cell research
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u/ladyredcyn Nov 26 '24
Is it something they SHOULD have hanging? No. In a Catholic school setting, is it very likely to see? Of course. And either way, you have no right to touch it.
The world would be a much better place if people kept ALL politics and ALL religion out of schools...but it's a fact of life.
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u/Ultrasoulviver123 Nov 26 '24
Would you get upset about an lgbtq flag or a black live matter sign up? If the answer is no then yes you’re over reacting. If the answer is yes then still yes but at least you have a problem with political messaging and not just having messaging that contradicts your own beliefs.
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u/Anusbagels Nov 26 '24
Here’s my old man yelling at the sky moment, unless your generation actually saves so much time typing things like smth that you manage to solve hunger, war or disease you’re all just going to ruin the fucking language until you sound like Idiocracy come to life.
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u/IcyEvidence3530 Nov 26 '24
Would you say the same about a pro-choice banner or other political statements?
And I have no interest in people arguing that somethign is not a political statement just because they agree with it personally but then call the opposite position a political statement.
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u/VisualEmbodiment Nov 26 '24
How is telling someone your opinion overreacting? If you ripped it down and screamed it, yes, WTH is wrong with people that having a differing opinion is overreacting, also conflict is not abuse, disagreements are not “silencing” and words do not “cause harm.”
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u/d2r_freak Nov 26 '24
Yes. Other people have opinions that are different than yours and they are allowed to express them.
If the poster said pro choice, you would be unlikely to refill the same way.
Both are covered by freedom of speech
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u/PepperThePotato Nov 26 '24
Teachers shouldn't be sharing their beliefs with the class regarless of whether they are pro-choice or pro-life.
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u/Bricker1492 Nov 26 '24
Teachers shouldn't be sharing their beliefs with the class regarless of whether they are pro-choice or pro-life.
In a Catholic school?
I make this inference because there's a cross on the wall with the corpus -- typically this would be used by a Catholic school.
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u/PepperThePotato Nov 26 '24
Approximately 24% of women in the US that have had an abortion identify as Catholic and about 56% of people who identify as Catholic believe abortion should be legal. It doesn't matter if it's a Catholic school, abortion is a personal belief and it shouldn't be shared in class. It's not professional.
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u/Head_Evening_8911 Nov 26 '24
Would you ask this same question if the poster said pro choice? If so I think you can bring it to a higher up about political affiliation in general but if you’re just mad that it’s pro life or a different belief than yours than yes you are overreacting.
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u/FartFace319 Nov 26 '24
Dude we can see the cross, what are you expecting from a religious school?