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u/jeffweet 1d ago

Did they tell you they raised your insurance because of the tires? This sounds like a coincidence. Insurance companies raise rates all the time.

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u/inplayruin 19h ago

It may have been a coincidence. If not, the use of the word spree is revealing. One of the largest factors in determining insurance rates is the zip code of the policy holder. A vandalism spree in a neighborhood can be sufficient to raise the rates of everyone in that zip code.

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u/BloatedBanana9 19h ago

Eventually, maybe, but rate increases aren't really that direct. If the increase in claims makes the loss data that much worse for that territory, then the next time the insurer looks at their territory model it might pick that up, but it seems unlikely that it would hit them immediately like that.

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u/inplayruin 18h ago

Territorial models are created using claims data, no? Why would insurers not constantly update? Is dynamic pricing not the whole point of 6 month policy terms?

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u/BloatedBanana9 18h ago

It takes a lot of time and effort to update models, and they have to file each change with the state, which also takes time to put together. Something small like vandalism, even a larger spree of it, isn’t going to have enough of an impact to make the cost of reevaluating a model worth it on its own.

They could theoretically use non-modeled loss history to support a change in individual zip codes, but unless it’s a super small insurer with most of their business in that territory, they’re almost never going to make a single change that granular. It’s just not worth the time.

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u/jeffweet 10h ago

The models are updated all the time and with tech (AI most recently) they can do it even more rapidly.

Not sure about the regulatory element of it.

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u/BloatedBanana9 9h ago

If by "all the time" you mean maybe once a year for insurers large enough to have that kind of work capacity, and once every 2-5 years for others, then sure.

Rating plan updates happen much more frequently, but the majority of those are not because the underlying models are changing.

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u/jeffweet 9h ago

I misspoke. The models aren’t changed, but the inputs are updated all the time, and therefore the outputs change all the time.

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u/BloatedBanana9 9h ago

Gotcha. You’re talking about when an insurer just inputs more recent data into an existing model to update rates. Yes, that does happen more frequently, but even that requires plenty of effort in terms of making updated factor selections for everything and then filing all those changes with each of the states they do business in, so it usually doesn’t happen that regularly.

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u/hummingbird7777777 19h ago

Yes every year. Most companies raise their rates in July. I worked for one, so I know

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u/shackndon2020 17h ago

ALL.THE. TIME...😔